Even by Russian standards, the trial has been roundly mocked as a farce, complete with barking dogs, a judge who feigned deafness when the defense objected, and denunciations of feminism as a “mortal sin" - New York Times
In a draconian act of cultural suppression the Russian state, keeping faith with a long standing Kremlin tradition, has sentenced to two years imprisonment three members of the punk rock band, Pussy Riot. Tsar Putin, like so many of the country’s autocrats that preceded him, whether in the Communist Party or outside of it, is not slow to take umbrage at dissent and is fond of cracking the whip in the hope of intimidating it into abeyance. Responding to the authoritarian sentiment of the country’s president its opposition leader claimed the women were jailed ‘because it is Putin's personal revenge. This verdict was written by Vladimir Putin.’
The charge for which the women were locked up is ‘hooliganism’, a typical criminal term that serves to denude their actions of any political content and thus strengthen the claims of the state to enhanced legitimacy.
The judge who sent them down in her summing up accused the artists of having ‘plotted together to undermine civil order, motivated by religious hatred.’ Their ‘hate crime’ was staging a protest against the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church who had closely aligned himself to the Putin regime. The singers hit out at 'the Church's praise of rotten dictators.' This prompted a reaction from the judge that the women had offended religious sentiment of Orthodox Christians and that in doing so they had shown a ‘complex lack of respect.’
This ‘lack of respect’ was a dance act on the Cathedral altar back in February during which the singers entreated the Virgin Mary to throw Putin out, he Virgin didn’t hear, she never does. But the Kremlin heard did as did the leader of the Church who labelled the act blasphemy.
The upshot is that at the end of ‘an authoritarian sham/circus trial’ singers are jailed ‘for expressing artistic dissent.’ One of the political prisoners, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, already in detention for almost half a year, said ‘our imprisonment serves as a clear and unambiguous sign that freedom is being taken away from the entire country.’ A theme that was echoed by Amnesty International in its comment that the ruling was a "bitter blow" for free speech in Russia.
In Kiev, site of much savagery during the Soviet Union's epic war of liberation against the Nazis in World War 2, women protesters in an act of defiance toward religious repression chopped down a wooden cross. The heads of statues throughout Moscow were covered in balaclavas, the attire worn by the band when it staged it performance. There have been worldwide protests with iconic figures in the world of music throwing their support behind the imprisoned women.
As usual those who love to see people writhing in the agony of some demonic furnace have added their voices to the fray. One opponent of the band claimed that ‘shouting and screaming and spreading hate in Church is unacceptable and is contrary with Christian ethics.’ What else is ever spread in churches but hate? It seems to have a prominent place in Christian ethics. Another detractor said ‘let Pussy Riot and all their supporters burn in hell.’ Threatening those who cross them, with the violence and pain of hell, is a familiar refrain from Christian types. All because they love their enemies of course.
These imprisoned artists have defiantly stood up for human rights against religious zealots and political tyrants. Hell holds no fear for those determined to resist its gatekeepers.
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
Drive away! Drive away Putin!
(end chorus)
Black robe, golden epaulettes
All parishioners are crawling and bowing
The ghost of freedom is in heaven
Gay pride sent to Siberia in chains
The head of the KGB is their chief saint
Leads protesters to prison under escort
In order not to offend the Holy
Women have to give birth and to love
Holy shit, shit, Lord's shit!
Holy shit, shit, Lord's shit!
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, become a feminist
Become a feminist, Become a feminist
(end chorus)
Church praises the rotten dictators
The cross-bearer procession of black limousines
In school you are going to meet with a teacher-preacher
Go to class - bring him money!
Patriarch Gundyaev believes in Putin
Bitch, you better believed in God
Belt of the Virgin is no substitute for mass-meetings
In protest of our Ever-Virgin Mary!
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
Drive away! Drive away Putin!
(end chorus)
Even by Russian standards, the trial has been roundly mocked as a farce, complete with barking dogs, a judge who feigned deafness when the defense objected, and denunciations of feminism as a “mortal sin" - New York Times
In a draconian act of cultural suppression the Russian state, keeping faith with a long standing Kremlin tradition, has sentenced to two years imprisonment three members of the punk rock band, Pussy Riot. Tsar Putin, like so many of the country’s autocrats that preceded him, whether in the Communist Party or outside of it, is not slow to take umbrage at dissent and is fond of cracking the whip in the hope of intimidating it into abeyance. Responding to the authoritarian sentiment of the country’s president its opposition leader claimed the women were jailed ‘because it is Putin's personal revenge. This verdict was written by Vladimir Putin.’
The charge for which the women were locked up is ‘hooliganism’, a typical criminal term that serves to denude their actions of any political content and thus strengthen the claims of the state to enhanced legitimacy.
The judge who sent them down in her summing up accused the artists of having ‘plotted together to undermine civil order, motivated by religious hatred.’ Their ‘hate crime’ was staging a protest against the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church who had closely aligned himself to the Putin regime. The singers hit out at 'the Church's praise of rotten dictators.' This prompted a reaction from the judge that the women had offended religious sentiment of Orthodox Christians and that in doing so they had shown a ‘complex lack of respect.’
This ‘lack of respect’ was a dance act on the Cathedral altar back in February during which the singers entreated the Virgin Mary to throw Putin out, he Virgin didn’t hear, she never does. But the Kremlin heard did as did the leader of the Church who labelled the act blasphemy.
The upshot is that at the end of ‘an authoritarian sham/circus trial’ singers are jailed ‘for expressing artistic dissent.’ One of the political prisoners, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, already in detention for almost half a year, said ‘our imprisonment serves as a clear and unambiguous sign that freedom is being taken away from the entire country.’ A theme that was echoed by Amnesty International in its comment that the ruling was a "bitter blow" for free speech in Russia.
In Kiev, site of much savagery during the Soviet Union's epic war of liberation against the Nazis in World War 2, women protesters in an act of defiance toward religious repression chopped down a wooden cross. The heads of statues throughout Moscow were covered in balaclavas, the attire worn by the band when it staged it performance. There have been worldwide protests with iconic figures in the world of music throwing their support behind the imprisoned women.
As usual those who love to see people writhing in the agony of some demonic furnace have added their voices to the fray. One opponent of the band claimed that ‘shouting and screaming and spreading hate in Church is unacceptable and is contrary with Christian ethics.’ What else is ever spread in churches but hate? It seems to have a prominent place in Christian ethics. Another detractor said ‘let Pussy Riot and all their supporters burn in hell.’ Threatening those who cross them, with the violence and pain of hell, is a familiar refrain from Christian types. All because they love their enemies of course.
These imprisoned artists have defiantly stood up for human rights against religious zealots and political tyrants. Hell holds no fear for those determined to resist its gatekeepers.
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
Drive away! Drive away Putin!
(end chorus)
Black robe, golden epaulettes
All parishioners are crawling and bowing
The ghost of freedom is in heaven
Gay pride sent to Siberia in chains
The head of the KGB is their chief saint
Leads protesters to prison under escort
In order not to offend the Holy
Women have to give birth and to love
Holy shit, shit, Lord's shit!
Holy shit, shit, Lord's shit!
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, become a feminist
Become a feminist, Become a feminist
(end chorus)
Church praises the rotten dictators
The cross-bearer procession of black limousines
In school you are going to meet with a teacher-preacher
Go to class - bring him money!
Patriarch Gundyaev believes in Putin
Bitch, you better believed in God
Belt of the Virgin is no substitute for mass-meetings
In protest of our Ever-Virgin Mary!
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
Drive away! Drive away Putin!
(end chorus)
In a draconian act of cultural suppression the Russian state, keeping faith with a long standing Kremlin tradition, has sentenced to two years imprisonment three members of the punk rock band, Pussy Riot. Tsar Putin, like so many of the country’s autocrats that preceded him, whether in the Communist Party or outside of it, is not slow to take umbrage at dissent and is fond of cracking the whip in the hope of intimidating it into abeyance. Responding to the authoritarian sentiment of the country’s president its opposition leader claimed the women were jailed ‘because it is Putin's personal revenge. This verdict was written by Vladimir Putin.’
The charge for which the women were locked up is ‘hooliganism’, a typical criminal term that serves to denude their actions of any political content and thus strengthen the claims of the state to enhanced legitimacy.
The judge who sent them down in her summing up accused the artists of having ‘plotted together to undermine civil order, motivated by religious hatred.’ Their ‘hate crime’ was staging a protest against the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church who had closely aligned himself to the Putin regime. The singers hit out at 'the Church's praise of rotten dictators.' This prompted a reaction from the judge that the women had offended religious sentiment of Orthodox Christians and that in doing so they had shown a ‘complex lack of respect.’
This ‘lack of respect’ was a dance act on the Cathedral altar back in February during which the singers entreated the Virgin Mary to throw Putin out, he Virgin didn’t hear, she never does. But the Kremlin heard did as did the leader of the Church who labelled the act blasphemy.
The upshot is that at the end of ‘an authoritarian sham/circus trial’ singers are jailed ‘for expressing artistic dissent.’ One of the political prisoners, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, already in detention for almost half a year, said ‘our imprisonment serves as a clear and unambiguous sign that freedom is being taken away from the entire country.’ A theme that was echoed by Amnesty International in its comment that the ruling was a "bitter blow" for free speech in Russia.
In Kiev, site of much savagery during the Soviet Union's epic war of liberation against the Nazis in World War 2, women protesters in an act of defiance toward religious repression chopped down a wooden cross. The heads of statues throughout Moscow were covered in balaclavas, the attire worn by the band when it staged it performance. There have been worldwide protests with iconic figures in the world of music throwing their support behind the imprisoned women.
As usual those who love to see people writhing in the agony of some demonic furnace have added their voices to the fray. One opponent of the band claimed that ‘shouting and screaming and spreading hate in Church is unacceptable and is contrary with Christian ethics.’ What else is ever spread in churches but hate? It seems to have a prominent place in Christian ethics. Another detractor said ‘let Pussy Riot and all their supporters burn in hell.’ Threatening those who cross them, with the violence and pain of hell, is a familiar refrain from Christian types. All because they love their enemies of course.
These imprisoned artists have defiantly stood up for human rights against religious zealots and political tyrants. Hell holds no fear for those determined to resist its gatekeepers.
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
Drive away! Drive away Putin!
(end chorus)
Black robe, golden epaulettes
All parishioners are crawling and bowing
The ghost of freedom is in heaven
Gay pride sent to Siberia in chains
The head of the KGB is their chief saint
Leads protesters to prison under escort
In order not to offend the Holy
Women have to give birth and to love
Holy shit, shit, Lord's shit!
Holy shit, shit, Lord's shit!
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, become a feminist
Become a feminist, Become a feminist
(end chorus)
Church praises the rotten dictators
The cross-bearer procession of black limousines
In school you are going to meet with a teacher-preacher
Go to class - bring him money!
Patriarch Gundyaev believes in Putin
Bitch, you better believed in God
Belt of the Virgin is no substitute for mass-meetings
In protest of our Ever-Virgin Mary!
(Chorus)
St. Maria, Virgin, Drive away Putin
Drive away! Drive away Putin!
(end chorus)
If the protest was against Putin why was it necessary to make it in a Cathedral? Why was some topless woman chainsawing a crucifix too? Also, I heard one of the band members performed in an orgy on film 4 weeks before giving birth to a baby. Nice people...NOT.
ReplyDeleteRegardless, if anyone did the same in St Pauls cathedral in London slamming the Royal family they would be in jail too. Might all the anti Russian media hype not be to counter the Asange case and USA/UK despotism?
Larry,
ReplyDeletemaybe the following short line from the article explains:
'the Church's praise of rotten dictators.'
They seem to have annoyed every woman hater in Christendom!
Not long ago Catholic haters danced around the front of a Catholic Church for twenty minutes in Belfast.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't want to play golf, don't go to a golf-club.
Gaol them and throw away the key,l just as they would be if it were a mosque or a synagogue.
Mackers
ReplyDeleteThe RC church has a history of siding with right wing evil outfits. The present Pope was a Nazi. But at the risk of being labelled a woman hater, by bonafide and 'convenient' femenists alike, i'll say the 'protest' was like some of the Pussy Riot's other antics, distasteful.
I have been OTT myself quite often so I'm happy to say I know what I'm talking about...I think!
As for the topless girl in Ukraine sawing down the crucifix, well she could have had the good manners to do it facing the camera...she didn't look like a feminist, she was 'hot'.
John
ReplyDeleteI tend to empathise with your point here. It's like the Orange Order not enjoying themselves unless they get passing a Catholic area or taking over a Catholic town or village. The protest was designed to be as offensive as possible. But responsibility is absent in todays world. I think they got off way to light myself.
Religion not Pussy Riot is guilty of hooliganism
ReplyDeleteLarry,
ReplyDeleteBeing distasteful or OTT, which many people think the protest was, should not result in jail. There is no right not to be offended although many of the PC mob would have one. There was a guy standing singing about ‘masturbating’ outside the church where Oliver Plunkett’s head is. Now it wasn’t the priest but he could be done for being a public nuisance not jailed for years.
It would be like jailing all those loons that you find outside abortion clinics and women’s centres. If they were to be jailed for two years it would be draconian.
John,
Throw away the key? The bishops can just starve in jail then. Not very charitable now.
"... We proclaim the death of the Christ-god, so that Man may live at last. FREE PUSSY RIOT"
ReplyDeleteYour atheistic hate confuses me. I wouldn't dream of cutting down the flags of a golf-club, yet you defend this obscenity.
Larry,
ReplyDelete'The present Pope was a Nazi.'
Ratzinger was less of a 'Nazi' than Che Guevara was a negro-hating, anti-Semitic, 'homophobe'!
At least if we stick to the evidence.
Larry,
ReplyDelete'I think they got off way to light myself.'
I absolutely agree with you there. This must be a first.
AM,
ReplyDelete'Throw away the key? The bishops can just starve in jail then. Not very charitable now'
If they are guilty, why not?
The head of the Russian orthodox
ReplyDeletechurch Patriach Kirill praised
Vladimir Putins leadership as Gods
miracle and said that the Pussy Riot performance was an assault by
enemy forces of the church-[ what sins of the church were forgiven by the state for those statements ]
Tikhon shevkunov who heads moscows Sretensky monastery and is the presidents spiritual counsellor [ very cosy ] now forgives the Pussy Riot band now that the show trial is over and the convictions secured, where was his forgivness during this trial-
AM-
" Virgin [ Mary ] didn't hear, she never does " how do you know that she never heard of this case- she could be one of the main suppoters of Pussy Riot in Heaven-
John,
ReplyDeleteI don't defend the obscenity of sending women to jail for a protest. I went out of my way to criticise it.
"There is no country with a richer tradition of literary and artistic protest against autocracy than Russia. Stretching back to the aftermath of the Decembrist revolt against tsarism in 1825, successive generations of writers and artists
ReplyDeletedefied the censors and braved the living hell of Siberia to throw down
their challenge to Tsars, commissars and oligarchs."
Pussy riot is in this fine tradition.If the messenger makes you angry, think it through and question why.
AM,
ReplyDelete'I don't defend the obscenity of sending women to jail for a protest. I went out of my way to criticise it.'
The obscenity I referred to was the whore who cut the crucifix down.
Atheist rage knows no bounds. Demonic it be, (to use a quaint Aussie phrase).
AM,
ReplyDeleteDo you also defend this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28wpLZ2KiAc
If not, perhaps you could explain why it is okay to attack Christian symbols and not Jewish ones?
RE: 'One opponent of the band claimed that ‘shouting and screaming and spreading hate in Church is unacceptable and is contrary with Christian ethics.’ What else is ever spread in churches but hate? It seems to have a prominent place in Christian ethics'
ReplyDeleteFair critque but alot of the hate is not supported by many Christians who see through the games & power play done in the name of God. Pussy Riot is really all about Pussy Power to coin a street term. It is about women rising up & having their say in ways that are ensuring their voices are heard.
The antics of Pussy Riot are not random breakouts but calculated thought out strategies. To be incarcerated for protesting is simply ludicrous but they knew it would happen... It is sad to me to see people upset over the context (church) & sawing down of a crucifix by a supporter of the girls. Why be upset over this? Because it rattled their sense of safety and religious icon worship imo.
The mixture of religion & politics has never been kind or just to women never mind the rest of the populace. You can saw down a thousand crucifixes & dance yer arse off shouting in a church but I doubt God is offended. God is spirit not institutions and icons.
@ Larry RE: 'As for the topless girl in Ukraine sawing down the crucifix, well she could have had the good manners to do it facing the camera...she didn't look like a feminist, she was 'hot'.'
ReplyDeleteLarry the woman was hot with RAGE & whilst physically beautiful she is not sexually flaunting her goods rather using her body as a weapon to garner attention to a cause. She is a performance artist with a cause driving her.
Myself i am waiting til i am really really old then i will make a Olde Pussy Number act. Stark naked with sagging breasts, gray pubic hair & wrinkled all over. On my chest will be painted John McGirr drove me to this. I will make a guest appearance somewhere probably something to with the Vatican. Now that will be a HOT act as in headmelting lol
Mackers
ReplyDeleteif the guy was 'outside' the Drogheda church singing about masterbation then he's on the street, not on the altar with a balaclava and behaving like a nut-job and using church electric for his amplifiers etc. Who cares what he sings on a public street.
John
YES we agree on this one. Two years was way too lenient. They should be sent to bootcamp and taught to scrub floors; the wee scrubbers. What is it about feminists they need to be 'in yer face' and offensive? What is it about PC junkies? If these women lifted their dress and shit on the altar they'd be defended. But then, they dont wear dresses, they'd pull down their trousers to do it; the 'wanabe-men'. lmao.
John,
ReplyDelete‘The obscenity I referred to was the whore who cut the crucifix down.’
Obscenity is frequently a question of personal judgement. And it is hard to legislate for taste. In my view it is no more obscene that cutting down a union jack. No exclusive privilege for religious symbols.
Is joining the misogynist brigade by labelling women whores another example of Christian love? What makes her a whore? Did she have a child out of wedlock to someone not her husband and then claim she was still a virgin? Even then that would not make her a whore but quite a few women haters have labelled that type of person a whore.
Checked out the link. It is what religious crazies do. Mumble mumbo jumbo and then attack something.
‘perhaps you could explain why it is okay to attack Christian symbols and not Jewish ones?’
It is ok to attack any symbol providing it isn’t actually the property of anybody else. If you want to burn your Koran or your union jack, both of which you own, that is a matter for you. But you can hardly go in and burn your neighbours’ property. But you agree with this. You want books burned. No one should be free to burn a cross in a chapel or a cross that belongs to someone else. If somebody wants to destroy their own crucifix or stick nails in a Eucharistic wafer then, even if we find it distasteful, they have the right.
Larry,
ReplyDeleteOn the steps of church property, annoying people who did care and found it offensive. But had he done it on the altar he hardly deserves two years jail for it. Moreover, these women were making a very political protest. Were it an act of mindless vandalism there would be very little public interest.
Again the language of the misogynist - ‘wee scrubbers’. I guess many women who read your comments find that you want the right to offend women while bellyaching about others wanting the right to offend. You had a pretty unsuccessful venture last time round with this logic.
These women should have the same right to protest as those in the Occupy Movement and should be defended against the raving right who want them jailed.
SMH
ReplyDeleteAlas your planned protest will not shock if I'm there to see it. After many holidays in Spain I have been subjected to oldies rubbing oil into wrinkly 'milkers' on the beach and oldies in bikinis with skin peeling off leaning into fridges in Carrafour supermarket in Spain too. Not so much shocking after the initial induction as 'sad'. I hope personally to grow old with a little decorum and enjoy my grandkids as they grow. But, just to let you know SMH, whilst they may not be aware of your agenda, if you go to Spain and protest on a beach it will seem like you have mass-support....urgh..trying not to imagine that. Its like what has a tight rope walker over Niagra Falls and an 18 yr old lad getting a blowjob from a granny in China got in common...both are desperately trying not to look down. lol.
As for Pussy/vaginal Riot, I'm delighted to say my own daughter finds them gross and a major 'turn-off'. Decorum, even in protest is commendable. Those huzzies are hooligans and vandals.
SMH,
ReplyDeleteYes, there are many Christians who are not driven by hate. One great Christian was Bishop Helder Camara. He seemed full of love for his fellow humans. Yet many Christians hated him. The thing about Christianity is that it is just one more body of opinion. And like every body of opinion it has a range of positions within it. And it is used for a variety of purposes. It is all too evident how it can coexist with evil and has many adherents who are outright malign.
mackers
ReplyDeletei was successful in airing my opinion. As valid as the vagina vandals opinions. They may actually be more interested in promoting an otherwise crap music band...a stunt. Of course PC junkies and eternal' victims autopilot blindly to the defence of their unnecessary, unwanted offensive intrusion. If they'd been busking on the street they'd have been pathetic and almost funny. Hence the Cathedral venue.
'Performing Arts'?? relly? release Michael Stone then.
As far as anyone 8 months pregnant engaging in a porno orgy on camera [which one of the vagina riot huzzies did] I agree totally with John. Whore. You want your daughter to use that as a role model?...pray tell...?
Larry,
ReplyDelete‘I was successful in airing my opinion.’
As much as the person who successfully airs his opinion that the earth is flat. Which is vastly different from airing it successfully: the purpose of airing any option. It was so poorly argued, but you know that by now. It made the case you were arguing appear weaker than it actually is. That type of advocate is always an advantage to the adversary.
You are the one PC junkie that comes frequently to this blog. We don’t see others. You seem steeped in PC right wing ideology and have yet to offer a fresh perspective. Most others seem to avoid PC like the plague, trying to grapple with the issues raised. Even your attempt to criminalise the Russian women using the same language and logic against them that the Tory Party used against us during the blanket protest, is the same old same old right wing PC discourse. Political prisoners recognise it instantly they are so familiar with it.
That sense of underlying misogyny seems to be the real issue. It is something best dealt with by yourself privately rather than publicly corrupting your own arguments with it.
My daughter will make up her own mind about the issues at stake and choose her own role models. And if she decides to protest clerical rape by standing on an altar singing I won’t be there calling her a whore. I think she would find considerable intellectual content in the arguments of Nadezhda Tolokonnikova. Compare the content of her arguments against your own and you should get the point. Regardless of whether we agree with her or you, just look at who presents the argument better.
‘If they'd been busking on the street they'd have been pathetic and almost funny.’
The penny shows signs of dropping. Location makes the difference. If they were dancing in your house without your permission I would help you throw them out. But they weren’t.
AM,
ReplyDelete‘Is joining the misogynist brigade by labelling women whores another example of Christian love? What makes her a whore?’
She is the ‘whore of Kiev’, using her body for gain. Let’s call it a metaphor, much as you defended the term ‘whore of Babylon.’
I am very touched at your constant concern for Christian love. You should read St John Chrysostom on the Jews, (SMH would love it.) He hates them with true Christian love.
‘Checked out the link. It is what religious crazies do. Mumble mumbo jumbo and then attack something.’
The only attacks I can see are anti-Christian ones that you appear to be defending. Do you defend the whore cutting down the crucifix?
‘”perhaps you could explain why it is okay to attack Christian symbols and not Jewish ones?’”
‘It is ok to attack any symbol providing it isn’t actually the property of anybody else.’
Do you think the ‘whore of Kiev’ owned the crucifix?
‘If you want to burn your Koran or your union jack, both of which you own, that is a matter for you.’
Try burning a Koran, (or even a Poppy), in public and see what happens.
Maybe you could explain to us WHY the Orangemen were wrong to parade for twenty minutes outside the Catholic Church in north Belfast? Or maybe you don’t think they were wrong? It seems to me that your views give them total justification. They damaged no property. Your views seem like a charter for the Orange Order. They could bring their own tricolours next time and burn them with your blessing. Blessed Anthony, protector of Orangemen!
Larry,
ReplyDeleteAs long as you have been commenting on the PQ, you have fallen over yourself trying to appear controversial and politically incorrect. You usually do this by targeting the vulnerable. The only problem is that you have rarely ever been funny.
Russia is a corrupt oligarchy and the Russian Orthodox Church is complicit in this, supporting Putin in exchange for state aid. Pussy Riot are right to protest against this toxic union by non-violent civil disobedience.
John,
What if a group of republicans disrupted a Free Presbyterian Church service by protesting for the release of Marian Price? Would be calling for the PSNI to jail them and throw away the key then?
@ Larry H I doubt your daughter has had enough life experience to really u/stand what Pussy Riot antics are all about on a deeper level & NB it is highly likely dear auld Dad is influencing her heavily! The Client is The Whore i wrote ages ago.
ReplyDeleteRead it to her & tell her one day she will see/hear/be avalanched with this knowing as she grows into womanhood... For sure she will know The Client is The Whore. Women and girls have always been mere commodities to religion, politics & misogynists... Your derogatory labels of young women who do not fit the societal acceptable mode or your own worldview say much...
I will always stand for every woman & every girl that was ever labelled a whore, ho, slapper, c...t, & also for young males labelled similar. O yes i will because many – both male & female see through your kind of thinly disguised rant sprinkled with hate labels as to what it really is... As Anthony described...
And now i must away to the gym It is one thing to be called ‘an old c..t’in realville. It is quite another to be called a ‘fat old c...t’ One must keep up appearances for the misogynists (insert jaded, sarcastic cackle here)
The Client is the Whore: Judgements - labels - fables
Societal dichotomy - Whore Ho Slapper Slut
Jiggy jig - Arrested - fined - pay off a pig
Freebies-Pimps-Pro’s - Body parts all a go go
Money for food - Money for rent- servicing the bent
Violence - rape - endless flood of porn:
got labeled a “cunt”day she was born
Commodity - Chattel - Fantasy fodder
Fat skinny pretty ugly sexy
Relegated just a flesh identity: tits and arse
no intellect, value, status or class
Self-worth - meaningless word
believes she has no voice & will never be heard
Looks in the mirror & does not know her own face
Long ago left her body - flew away
Just flesh identity: tits & arse
Nothing less & nothing more
Tells herself "I am a worthless whore"
(THE SUBJUGATION IS COMPLETE)
Brothel, home, hotel or street
A woman is always someone’s lump of meat
No-one is always someone
Someone is always no-one
Hypocritical, societal blame
On the woman enforced shame
Objectification: She drowns alive in dissociation
Wades through a sea ofGlorification
Denigration Deification
Money for your honey
Condoms lube dam
Round the world bodies slam
Fragmentation Decimation
Fetishes - sickos -ugly mugs-freaks
The endless queue dictating your worth
mind spirit body soul
A prostitute is a person
Name face time place
The Client is the Whore.
Atheist hate knows no bounds.
ReplyDeleteThis video shows the cathedral destroyed by militant atheists in Kiev.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtGDoq0wyZU
It has now been rebuilt, just as the cross has been raised again where the crucifix was cut down.
"Yesterday, the hate group FEMEN desecrated a Christian Cross Memorial for the victims of the militant atheistic campaign and Holodomor under Joseph Stalin. This Christian Cross Memorial overlooked Independence Square, where victims of these Stalinist purges were tortured and killed in what is now Oktyabrsky Palace. Today, the memorial cross has been restored! Long live Christianity!"
Video Footage Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQBO2v76RF0 — at Kyiv, Ukraine.
in the footsteps of the Lord
ReplyDeleteAlfie,
ReplyDelete"What if a group of republicans disrupted a Free Presbyterian Church service by protesting for the release of Marian Price? Would be calling for the PSNI to jail them and throw away the key then?"
No. Neither would I call for Republicans to do that. There are those interned now for a lot less.
Mackers
ReplyDeleteyou give no opinion of the Pussy Riot member who at 8 months pregnant indulged in a sex-orgy as 'film protest'. I ponder why. As for desecration of the crucufix by a chainsaw weilding topless woman...recall how you felt on learning of 'The Darks' bench being destroyed? No doubt that is 'different'.
As for your daughter, I doubt very much you wouldn't try to advise as best you could for her future benefit. As for SMH..Without being controling I don't want my daughter being brainwashed and programmed by societies damaged hate filled groups. I'd prefer her to be the ballanced, happy and loving individual that she is and who I'm immensely proud of. Also that she be sympathetic towards such unfortunates. [NOT MANIPULATED BY THEM]End of. She's not responsible for their state of mind. Neither is every church building, Cathedral cleric or Christian alive.
Alfie
'What if a group of republicans disrupted a Free Presbyterian Church service by protesting for the release of Marian Price? Would be calling for the PSNI to jail them and throw away the key then?'
Absolutely. Does Harryville ring a bell? Not much consistency in the PC junkies on here. The PC straight jacket, blindfold and zimmerframe once removed leave some of you people horizontal.
SMH
ReplyDeletei never knew you had met John McGirr. Never mind that he could be personally behind all your lifes problems. WOW John you bad man!!
Larry,
ReplyDelete‘you give no opinion of the Pussy Riot member who at 8 months pregnant indulged in a sex-orgy as 'film protest'. I ponder why.’
Save yourself the bother and ponder instead on something more purposeful. I have no opinion on it, having read nothing about it and only hearing it from you in the course of this discussion. But I am not a sex peeler so it would hardly annoy me if there was no harm to her, the child or anybody else and she didn’t break into anybody’s house to do it. What belief system she might have offended is of no concern to me.
‘As for desecration of the crucufix by a chainsaw wielding topless woman...recall how you felt on learning of 'The Darks' bench being destroyed?
No memorial should be destroyed. But then you would have noticed this had you read the earlier response to John. Chop down your own tree not somebody else’s. The woman in question should have made her point by putting a balaclava over the cross rather than destroying it. If people want to burn effigies of the Dark then I might not like it but will never call for it to be banned. People have a right to protest. It’s what the blanket was about despite all those who called for us to be locked up forever and throw away the key.
Pussy Riot engaging in civil disobedience as an act of protest against political injustice is to be defended. They are every bit the political prisoners we on the blanket protest were, so to condemn them as criminals would be too big an inconsistency chasm to jump. But they can hardly make that protest by beating up the priest, urinating on church goers or wrecking the altar.
If people decide to occupy the head office of Chelsea FC, and sing songs because they believe Roman Abramovich legitimates an unjust regime, I would be fine. If they destroy a statue of Peter Osgood while doing it, I would not be so fine. Their right to do it to Chelsea has to be the same as their right to do it at a church. I would view both in the same sympathetic light.
‘As for your daughter, I doubt very much you wouldn't try to advise as best you could for her future benefit.’
Just as I hope we all will. But she will make her own choices, as you probably know by now. If she asks who is right in the Pussy Riot situation, the prisoners or their jailers, she will be told without hesitation that the prisoners are right. But her call on how she sees it.
The biggest offence of PC people of whatever hue is that that they are forever trying to police opinion. They continually preach that this behaviour or that language is offensive. They would have us all censored.
Mackers
ReplyDelete'The biggest offence of PC people of whatever hue is that that they are forever trying to police opinion. They continually preach that this behaviour or that language is offensive. They would have us all censored.'
Spot on. It's a repelant.
As for the Pussy Riot crew..it's the element of offence and vandalism that they are in trouble for. Maybe they should have performed outside the Cathedral and not cut anything down. The jail is maybe OTT but they are vandals as much as political prisoners. I'm not sure they are 'up there' with the blanket protest. I don't buy that. It's as much a stunt for publicity for a failed rock group. The 'orgy protest' was shown on RT tv station and was frankly gross.
John,
ReplyDeleteSo republicans opposed to political injustice can occupy a church (even though you disagree with it) but should not be jailed for it. Why not afford Russian female artists opposed to political injustice the same latitude? You don’t even have to agree with their protest, merely desist from the call to jail them.
‘Atheist hate knows no bounds.’
So it has much in common with Christianity then. I guess that is one reason it is not a worldwide institution claiming some pseudo right to morally regulate the rest of us.
‘Long live Christianity!’
Along the right to protest against it.
Larry,
Why would we want the Harriville protestors jailed, bonkers and bigoted as they were? That would simply be a draconian act. It would be on a par with jailing that lot who stand outside abortion clinics ranting and raving and waving photos. If the mothers of people children raped by priests were to stand outside chapels protesting I would have no problem with it. I guess you wouldn’t either.
Mackers
ReplyDeleteImportant not to confuse dignified legitimate protest with 'hate'and anger. The Harryville thing like the wee Catholic kids going to primary school in Belfast was not a protest by loyalists, it was hate filled intimidation. People were frightened and the RUC permitted it. The band dancing around in circles outside an RC church recently was less of an issue to me than the RUC men standing watching it rather than move them on. There should be an enforcible law against hate fuelled intimidation in general. Wee 'blue rinse' old dears going to mass or kiddies going to school should not do so in terror. I would be ashamed if nationalists resorted to that. Alfie seems to forget Protestant Catholic and Dissenter. Darkley ring a bell? Scary that he would even contemplate dissidents entering a Free P service.
As for the RC church vicitims. They from what I can deduce have conducted themselves with dignity and inteligently which is why they have defeated the highly educated and closed shop Vatican hierarchy. Sadly it has taken many of them a lifetime. But the educated and unrepentant facilitators in the RC church have destroyed the very church they tried to protect with cover-up.
Pussy riot are mere vandals and angry women let loose. Hiding behind a Putin protest reminds me of patriotism being the last refuge of the scoundrel. They are an oportunistic failed punk band with neither self respect nor morals. Why should i get worked up for their benefit?
As for PC in general, too many people seem to think it is a magical 'ace-card' that once engaged in any debate negates the other position. However, too many people use the PC card subjectively and quite simply hypocritically. Totally inconsistent. I wont slip into their mental straightjacket.
My wife should be jailed for ten years for doing this in Drogheda today
ReplyDeleteJohn
ReplyDeleteShe is the ‘whore of Kiev’, using her body for gain.
She seemed to use it for political effect. Much as we did while on the blanket.
'Let’s call it a metaphor, much as you defended the term "whore of Babylon".'
I don’t think I expressed a view one way or the other on its usage. Merely stated that biblical literalists would not understand metaphor which is what SMH said the Whore of Babylon was. But if people come on using the term ‘Mary Whore of Heaven’ you sort of concede their right to do so. You can hardly ask to be allowed to call real people whores and demand that imaginary people are not called whores. Much better I think if we don’t call women whores.
‘You should read St John Chrysostom on the Jews, (SMH would love it.) He hates them with true Christian love.’
Hating seems to be a very Christian thing, although not specifically so.
‘Do you defend the whore cutting down the crucifix?’
As I know of no whore, either cutting down the crucifixes or giving birth to godmen, I can’t comment. I have a very definite view of people, women or otherwise, destroying what belongs to the public. Draping it with a balaclava would have made the point.
‘Do you think the ‘whore of Kiev’ owned the crucifix?’
If you are referring to a nun in Petersburg I dissent from your use of the term ‘whore.’ If that nun owns a cruxifix it should not be destroyed by somebody else.
‘Maybe you could explain to us WHY the Orangemen were wrong to parade for twenty minutes outside the Catholic Church in north Belfast? Or maybe you don’t think they were wrong?’
The Orangemen made no political protest whatsoever. Which means even they feel they had no right. They in fact tried to disguise that they were marching outside the church and got that religious idiot Nelson McCausland to give that denial some cover. Nevertheless, they should not be jailed for it.
If Orangemen want to protest they should have the same rights as the rest of us. Rights don’t exist for those who share our own views. They are to be availed of by all. Should Orangemen be allowed to protest outside a golf club? Of course. Why should a church be any more a protest free zone than a golf club? And if the parents of children raped by priests wish to protest outside a church they should be allowed. Same goes for Orangemen or anybody else for that matter.
‘Your views seem like a charter for the Orange Order.’
And also for the Catholic Church. If priests want to march in protest against being investigated for child rape we should allow them that right. Doesn’t mean the investigation should stop or that we support what they are protesting about.
‘Blessed Anthony, protector of Orangemen!’
It gets weaker by the comment!
I am only too pleased to be able to defend Orangemen and loyalists against injustice. They should not be the victims of supergrasses or other unjust systems. The bigot might have difficulty reconciling himself to that but c'est la vie.
mackers
ReplyDeleteyour mrs is cheating..she has a T-Shirt on and left her chainsaw at home. £20 fine max.
AM,
ReplyDeleteFollowing your comments, maybe you could clarify if you think the Orange Order should be free to protest on the Garvaghy Road, along the Crumlin Road, Harryville etc?
Do you also think they should be allowed to have bonfires draped in Irish Tricolours, with the names of those killed on Bloody Sunday, with images of dead Irish hunger strikers, Popes and Saints?
Something to ponder from the life of Saint Ignatius:
ReplyDelete"While he journeyed on, a Saracen mounted on a horse came up with him. In the course of the conversation mention was made of the Blessed Virgin. The stranger remarked that though he admitted that the Mother of Christ had conceived without detriment to her virginal purity, yet he could not believe that after the conception of her divine Son she was still a virgin. He was so obstinate in holding this opinion, that no amount of reasoning on the part of Ignatius could force him to abandon it. Shortly afterward the Saracen rode on, leaving the pilgrim to his own reflections. These were not of the most peaceful nature. He was sorely troubled as he thought over the conduct of his recent fellow-traveler, and felt that he had but poorly acquitted himself of his duty of honoring the Mother of God. The longer his mind thought upon the matter, the more his soul was filled with indignation against himself for having allowed the Saracen to speak as he had done of the Blessed Virgin, and for the lack of courage he fancied he had shown in not at once resenting the insult. He consequently felt impelled by a strong impulse to hasten after him and slay the miscreant for the insulting language he had used. After much internal conflict with these thoughts, he still remained in doubt, nor could he decide what course to follow. The Saracen, who had ridden on, had mentioned to him that it was his intention to proceed to a town not far distant from the highroad. At length, Ignatius, wearied by his inward struggle and not arriving at any determination, decided to settle all his doubts in the following novel way: he would give free rein to his horse, and if, on coming to the cross-road, his horse should turn into the path that led to the destination of the Moor, he would pursue him and kill him; but if his horse kept to the highroad he would allow the wretch to escape. Having done as he had decided, it happened through the Providence of God that his horse kept to the highroad, though the place was distant only about thirty or forty yards, and the way leading to it was very wide and easy."
John,
ReplyDeletehere is a funnier one than the St Iggy crack.
Eulogy of Seamus O'Malley
Brothers Mike and Seamus O'Malley were the two richest men in town, and complete shites both of' em. They swindled the Church out of its property, foreclosed on the orphanage and cheated widows out of their last mite. And that was just for starters.
Finally Seamus up and dies, and Mike pays a visit to the priest.
"Father," he says, "my good name will be upheld in this town. You'll be givin' the eulogy for me brother, and in that eulogy you are going to say "Seamus O'Malley was truly a saint."
"I won't do such a thing. T'would be a lie!"
"I know you will," says Mike. "I hold the mortgage on the parish school, and if you don't say those words, I'll foreclose."
The priest is over a barrel. "And if I pledge to say those words, then you'll sign the note over free and clear?" "Done," cackles Mike, and he signs over the note.
Next morning at the funeral, the priest begins the eulogy: "Seamus O'Malley was a mean-spirited, spiteful, penurious, lying, cheating, arrogant and hateful excuse for a human being. But compared to his brother, Mike,...Seamus O'Malley was truly a saint."
Larry,
ReplyDeleteImportant not to confuse dignified legitimate protest with 'hate' and anger.
But who is to define? Those being protested against usually don’t think the protest dignified. And the gander should sup its own sauce: calling girls as young as 15 ‘whores’ hardly seems dignified even if you think they are morally wrong.
I know one of the people behind the Harryville protest and he was a hate filled bigot. Having said that he was a freaky man who followed Jesus as Boyne Rover put it. Yet, I found a difference between both ‘protests’ while having sympathy for neither. Holy Cross was an exercise in pure intimidation of children as young as four. It was as you put it ‘hate filled intimidation.’ Harryville, if memory serves me right, was less of that. In my view Harryville was on a par with the mob that stands outside family planning clinics trying to frighten young women and girls seeking advice about their situation. But they should not be jailed for it.
There should be an enforceable law against hate fuelled intimidation in general.
There are laws but they need to be exercised carefully. This is why it was so important that Blair’s 2006 blasphemy law did not get passed. Imagine arming the men of god in the North with that: ‘blasphemer – you complained about child abuse.’
As for Alfie Scary that he would even contemplate dissidents entering a Free P service.
Don’t believe he did. He used it for purposes of drawing out the logic of John’s argument.
Pussy riot are mere vandals and angry women let loose. Hiding behind a Putin protest reminds me of patriotism being the last refuge of the scoundrel.
Now where have we heard that before? They seem very articulate and politicised women who have brought the issue of Putin’s regime to global attention in a way that a church choir protest could never hope to do. Pussy Riot: It took a bunch of bright, sassy women in colourful balaclavas to blow the lid off Putin's Russia
They are an opportunistic failed punk band with neither self respect nor morals.
They seem much more moral than the regime they are opposing. And if you refer to their sex lives as moral, go to Pakistan or Afghanistan rather than the Philippines. I don’t think they have morality police in Manila. How people conduct their sex lives is no concern of mine.
Why should i get worked up for their benefit?
You seem to get very worked up, against their benefit.
As for PC in general, too many people seem to think it is a magical 'ace-card' that once engaged in any debate negates the other position.
Again the gander and sauce. Refrain from being right wing PC and you position would be more credible. Get out of the right wing straitjacket and desist from shouting ‘women who offend are whores’ and you might see your argument not hindered by inconsistencies going further than it currently is.
Maybe we are just too liberal for you. But not much can be done about that. It is what it is.
Mackers
ReplyDeleteI don't live in a PC fantasy land. There are whores in society, and not all of them are forced into it. As not all of their clients are 'desperate' either. Prostitiution should be legalised. I see corruption and rampant fraud at all levels in society too but others choose to pretend it doesn't exist and that certain fraudsters are more to 'blame'than others. It is what it is. Self delusion for subjective political agendas. Maybe that's just politics. It is necessary for a ballance and responsibility in society, but no one seems prepared for it to apply to their interest group. As for Putin, Russia isn't an issue to me. I think the likes of the western media are grasping at straws to bash Russia and a lot of other countries as a deflection from their own dirty antics.
I prefer to be blunt than blinkered or outright blind. It is what it is.
mackers
ReplyDeleteAs for me going to Pakistan or Afghanistan rather than the Philippines, why would I? I am not interested in imposing my morals or lack of them on people in their own country. I know nothing of their customs or reasons for them. But I do know women there wear bhurkas to avoid unwanted male attention and prefer it that way. But I have been to the Philippines, Borneo, Malaysia, Thailand and Japan in the region. How about yourself? Or do you go by what you read? Dangerous modus operandi if you do; you should know that being a journalist.
Poor dictator Putin is sleeping much better now that the despicable three have been punished for offending all that is civil and moral. I wonder if their name had been the Kremlin Gremlins would that have got much attention. I am sure Putin yearns for days gone by where opposition had no voice and all was well and secret behind Red walls.
ReplyDeletePicking a church as a venue for a radical protest seems in order considering they had been protesting the church praising Putin, somehow I doubt Putin is a god fearing man and the church is siding with powerful politics at the expense of religious conviction which is not unusual as the church rarely sides with the powerless.
It seems that the big crime here is not what they did but who they are more specifically women who dare to offend our puritanical, Victorian values.
Fair play to them for having giant balls and putting the political boot into Putin it will be interesting to see if they protest from jail now that they appear to have a cult following. I doubt even they thought it would cause such a media sensation and the people exaggerating the story seem to be the ones offended that they are women.
I would not want to live under Vladimir Putin he is a tyrant no doubt. But that said, we should all be thankful he is the leader of Russia. For without him the US and its allies would be invading and bombing Syria, Iran and who knows what other countries. We need a strong leader like Putin to stand up to to the US. The jailing of some crappy third rate girl punk band is a small price to pay for iron leadership in the Kremlin.
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDeleteFollowing your comments, maybe you could clarify if you think the Orange Order should be free to protest on the Garvaghy Road, along the Crumlin Road, Harryville etc?
Freedom of assembly John; always useful to have against tyrants.
Should any of us be free to protest where we like? Not what I believe. I can’t walk into your living room with a free speech banner and demand that I be allowed to read out the Communist Manifesto. Since the emergence and profiling of community politics areas where people live have become in political discourse an extension of the home. But if the residents and protestors reach agreement, that is for them regardless of what I think. The right to protest is vital in any society.
Should people be allowed to protest at venues where we work, play golf, pray, dance? Absolutely.
Do you also think they should be allowed to have bonfires draped in Irish Tricolours, with the names of those killed on Bloody Sunday, with images of dead Irish hunger strikers, Popes and Saints?
Absolutely. Doesn’t mean we agree with what they burn on their bonfire: it is repellent that they burn the names of those killed on Bloody Sunday and hunger strikers. Popes and saints: doesn’t annoy me. But should it be declared illegal? No way.
After we ran with the anti-theocratic Danish cartoons in 2006 Matt Cooper asked me on his radio would I not be offended if cartoons were printed about mocking Bobby Sands. I said I would but I would never be found calling for their censorship.
Larry,
ReplyDeleteI don't live in a PC fantasy land.
That is exactly where you live. A right wing PC fantasy land where a seeming virulent antipathy toward women has distorted your thinking powers. Whether it be Marian Price, Sinead O'Connor, Pussy Riot or the 15 year olds you label whores.
Easy to scream whore at somebody who can't answer back. You win those arguments alright. Bit different when you come up against it,isn't it? Things become a bit more difficult.
There are whores in society, and not all of them are forced into it.
But the 15 year old girls labelled whores by some man with seeming women issues are hardly amongst them.
Prostitution should be legalised.
Fine by me.
I see corruption and rampant fraud at all levels in society too but others choose to pretend it doesn't exist
You are right. That is why they blame it on the poorest who do the double.
Which is as you rightly say Self delusion for subjective political agendas. A right wing agenda that proclaims all are equal under the law and equally culpable, and for that reason the law in its majesty prohibits rich and poor alike from sleeping under the bridges of the River Seine ... Anatole France, worth reading every now and then.
I prefer to be blunt than blinkered or outright blind.
And you have managed both. Much better to be sharp. That way you avoid being blinkered and outright blind.
Whew. Maybe you all as loyal opposition to the peelers can agree with Mr John Lydon herein. This paper did not print the name of said cabal in earlier coverage, but they are on the front page today. "Pussy Riot shows punk still has power". John L. notes why he moved away from London in the '80s: "Police don't need a reason, but when you ask them for one, there's your entertainment value."
ReplyDeleteAs for me going to Pakistan or Afghanistan rather than the Philippines, why would I?
ReplyDeleteIt was facetious. But those two countries allow you a lot of latitude for putting women down with terms like ‘whore.’ Afghanistan had a morality police.
I am not interested in imposing my morals or lack of them on people in their own country.
Why then call Russian women whores for doing what they do in their own country?
I know nothing of their customs or reasons for them. But I do know women there wear bhurkas to avoid unwanted male attention and prefer it that way.
You mean they are free to? And they can just discard it when they please? No pressure to wear one?
But I have been to the Philippines, Borneo, Malaysia, Thailand and Japan in the region.
All the more mind boggling that with being so widely travelled you end up with such a narrow attitude.
How about yourself?
Haven’t been.
Or do you go by what you read?
Wasn’t there when the earth started but have read it is older than 6000 years old. Am I wrong? wasn't in Russia in 1941 either when the nazis invaded. Doesn't stop me knowing quite a bit about it. For somebody who has academic training you must know something about the production of knowledge.
Maybe if you read a bit more and vented prejudice a bit less you would be more compelling in your argument. Think back to your Rangers piece and your own advice earlier in the day about how not lose the case.
Dangerous modus operandi if you do; you should know that being a journalist.
Reading is indispensable to journalism and historians. Try writing something without reading about it before hand.
AM
ReplyDelete'Wasn’t there when the earth started but have read it is older than 6000 years old. Am I wrong?'
Probably, but unless God tells us, we won't know for sure. Wait a minute, He did. Yes, you are wrong!
Ryan
ReplyDeleteCouldn't agree with your post more. The Western media are deflecting attention from the wests own antics and agenda. Putin has stood up to the yanks on the Syrian issue. I get a sneaky feeling the west are attempting to obliterate any viable opposition to Israel before an attack on Iran.
mackers
Avery good Monday morning to you.
Remember all those years in jail and the politicisation programe? Well thank heavens i was exposed to that shite for only a very brief period. When i re-entered the real world it became very obvious that all that crap was about as relevant as advertising a nightclub on the moon. It was even less relevant on my travels. I am endevouring to educate myself academically at present. I am also determined NOT to be a sheep or plastic-person like the prisoners were moulded by SF/IRA. Look where that was heading. Follow follow or fuck off and get a life if ye want to think for yourself.
As for the womens issue. There are many catagories of women in society. Not all of them are good. When men hit skid row they get a job or rob a bank. They dont/can't resort to the 'oldest profession'. It's not labelled that for nothing. And men don't push every female into that career choice. Maybe that upsets your sensibilities towards your admirable view of the female species. Can't help that, it's just reality. But then I've only a BA at this stage. I am happy to say however I have moved beyond the primary school phase of 'wee girls are sugar and spice and all things nice'....Get out into the world big man..taste the reality.
Forgot to mantion. I was in Singapore, Korea, Laois and Cambodia too. Oh and a wee place called Australia. No point goin that far without doing the 'tour'. And for those bloggers here wondering how i did all that I'll give you a wee clue. If I'd been teaching Irish my travel would have been confined to Donegal.
My remarks about wee teenage 'whores' getting pregnant and onto welfare for a wee flat was OTT. But the practice was widespread in the 80s/90s.
May I also just suggest that to read the western media and then feel justified in criticising foriegn countries legal systems without ever having been there or knowing the reality of life there or the social mores and values in other countries seems a very British thing to do. Like when they go demanding their drug mules be pardoned and sent home.
John,
ReplyDeleteI think the Orange Order should be free to march in town and city centres only, for those are proper public spaces. I do not believe that Orangemen should have the right to march through residential areas. It can be argued that, in a free society, those who break the law whilst engaging in a serious protest ought to be fined, but certainly not jailed for several years.
However, Russia is not a free society; it is a repressive oligarchy and, in that context, I think it is perfectly legitimate to use any form of non-violent protest, whether it be legal or not. I would say the same thing about Iran or Saudi Arabia.
Added their 'Punk Prayer' video and lyrics to the body of the main post above.
ReplyDeletean Englishmans question regarding his version of the Pussy Riot poem.
ReplyDeleteMary, Mother of God, banish the Queen, banish the Queen,
Virgin Mary, Mother of God, banish her, we pray thee!
Congregations genuflect,
Black robes brag gilt epaulettes,
Freedom's phantom's gone to heaven,
freedom of speech chained and in detention.
Met's chief saint descends
To guide the rioters to prison vans.
Don't upset Her Majesty, ladies,
Stick to shopping and happy hours.
Crap, crap, this godliness crap!
Crap, crap, this holiness crap!
(Chorus)
Virgin Mary, Mother of God.
Be a feminist, we pray thee,
Be a feminist, we pray thee.
Bless our festering bastard queen.
Let black cars parade the crown.
.............................................
Fight for rights, forget the rite –
Join our protest, Holy Virgin.
(Chorus)
Virgin Mary, Mother of God, banish the queen, banish the queen
Can I sing this in Westminster?
Interesting take. How many years would you get for this from the peelers outside the Ecuador embassy??
Larry
ReplyDeleteSpot on. It's a repellent.
Stop being PC then! ‘Don’t cause offence’ is always the language of the PC lobby. It stifles debate. It prevents a discussion of issues that concern people such as immigration: people shout 'racist' in a bid to kill off discussion. But if somebody enters the debate shouting 'nigger' they can hardly claim to be the victim of PC when they get short shift. Same point about 'whore.'
It is on a par with calling a black person a 'nigger.' Whatever point is made after that is lost. Tackling PC by being as un-PC as possible doesn't work.
The jail is maybe OTT
Look at the bother you could have saved us all by saying that to begin with. Jail time for dancing around in a Church is what is making this an international issue not the dopey dance.
but they are vandals as much as political prisoners.
That could equate to Bobby Sands just being a wrecker of furniture shops. We are talking about motivation here.
I'm not sure they are 'up there' with the blanket protest. I don't buy that.
Having been on the blanket I identify with them because they hit out at a bad regime. We didn’t exactly start out our politically violent sojourn with clear cut political philosophical ideas. More a response to a bad political set up. And it was always alleged by the right that we were doing it for some other reason and had no political motivation.
It's as much a stunt for publicity for a failed rock group.
This is you stripping it of political motivation and trying to make criminals out of them.
If what you say was true they would never have been jailed. The state could have caricatured them. Like the dance and song act didn’t seem to be all that artistic.
Ryan,
ReplyDeleteYou make a geo political point and move the debate outside its current parameters.
But is your view really any different from the Kissinger view towards Argentina, Chile etc? They are scummy but better to have them there than somebody else because they don’t suit our interests. Maybe if Putin was to do the right thing and undermine the thuggish regime running Syria, depriving it of legitimacy, the US would be denied any excuse to bomb it. I don’t go for the political realist line of thinking that leads to conclusions like your own. We always end up being offered the choice of this tyrant or that tyrant. Maybe it is the way of the world and realpolitik, and Rwanda would provide enough in the way of evidence to back that up. But I hope for something better.
Remember all those years in jail and the politicisation programe?
ReplyDeleteDidn’t listen to them.
I am also determined NOT to be a sheep or plastic-person like the prisoners were moulded by SF/IRA.
Yet you regurgitate right wing mantras and misogynist bile. No point in swapping one mould for another.
There are many categories of women in society. Not all of them are good.
Stating the obvious.
When men hit skid row they get a job or rob a bank.
Are you telling us that robbing a bank is somehow better than prostitution? That the prostitute is somehow less moral than the bank robber? That only men work when they hit skid row?
They dont/can't resort to the 'oldest profession'.
No male prostitutes? For somebody so well travelled you can’t have gone around with your eyes closed.
And men don't push every female into that career choice.
Nor do women push men into robbing banks.
Maybe that upsets your sensibilities towards your admirable view of the female species.
You mean my non-misogynist view? I don’t think it is admirable to refrain from screaming ‘whore’ at women who do something I don’t like. Not screaming it is like not shouting ‘nigger’ at black people. It is just what we should be doing as a matter of course. No one needs admiration for not screaming ‘whore’ and ‘nigger.’ If people tell jokes with that type of language I see little need to go PC and shout about it. But you were not joking. That was bile.
I've only a BA at this stage.
Only? Seems great to have.
I am happy to say however I have moved beyond the primary school phase of 'wee girls are sugar and spice and all things nice'
But you haven’t. A man your age screaming ‘whore’ at people whose behaviour you don’t approve of is beyond the schoolyard? It is typical of the playground bully.
All your travel presented you with an opportunity to open your mind beyond a right wing rant, yet all we get is the same narrow minded perspective. Not one new idea or novel take on an old idea.
My remarks about wee teenage 'whores' getting pregnant and onto welfare for a wee flat was OTT.
I’d never have guessed. That’s why your argument fell out of the sky. Why ruin it with such bile? You can either make the point or score the point. But if you end up doing neither it is self defeating. I dare say there is a very robust argument that can be made about the impact on children who grow up in broken homes or in one parent families which should not be ruled offside by the PC mob. But you achieved what the PC crowd wanted by ranting rather than reasoning. No proper discussion. Nobody needs to be tested to see if they can do the business and score goals against your defence when you score the own goals for them. Seems to me to be a complete waste of energy on your part.
May I also just suggest that to read the western media and then feel justified in criticising foreign countries legal systems without ever having been there or knowing the reality of life there or the social mores and values in their countries seems a very British thing to do.
This is mutton posing as lamb. If you stepped back to think about it you might see that you are back into the PC logic again, only this time moving to the left PC rather than the right: let us be tolerant of ‘cultural relativism’ so that any notion of Universal rights can be undermined. What do we know about female genital mutilation in another custom and all that? When boiled down it is a racist approach because it essentially holds that some people because of their customs and mores are less than human and not worthy of the same rights the rest of us expect.
Like when they go demanding their drug mules be pardoned and sent home.
Well, they should not be hanged. I remember the Chambers case (and his buddy) in Malaysia in 86 and thought it bad justice.
Larry-you're spot on. Media does not care about these girls, they just want to bash Putin because of the impending Iran war. It'd be a non story any other time.
ReplyDeleteAM-
I hope these girls are released today. But it's within the parameters of the discussion because you nor I would have ever heard of this band were it not for the fact that the western media is hyping their cause to attack Putin. It is only being highlighted now due to the fact that Israel/US is gearing up for the Iran war that could start at any moment. Russia needs strong tough autocratic leaders. Most Russians would tell you the exact same thing. If Yeltsin instead of Stalin were in charge in WW2 there's a good chance they(and maybe even us) all would be speaking German.
It is unfortunately either this tyrant or that tyrant much of the time. Thatcher kills 4 hunger strikers, then Adams kills 6. Black South African miners used to get shot by white police , now they get shot by black police. I hope for something better too, but its the way of this world. I'm only 31 but I feel like an old cynic already.
AM,
ReplyDeleteYou seem to have a problem with the person who cut down the crucifix being labelled a whore.
I thought you might be interested to hear how Polish prostitutes view the 'Femen' group.
They stated a month or so back:
"We do not believe, moreover, that selling bodies is worse and more humiliating kind of prostitution than the one practiced every day by some artists supporting correct ideologies - in exchange for fame, and money. We prefer to be prostitutes dealing bodies then becoming artists from the first rows of the art whores system – selling their artistic freedom!
Therefore, we vote for prostitution in Reality – and against prostitution in ART! Therefore we urge all the feminists during the time of Euro 2012 to stay in the kitchen and let Polish girls earn some money! "
Even whores think that those in 'Femen' are 'whores'.
For the record, I never called those in the PR's that name. They show a degree of restraint that leaves them more in the hooligan/blasphemer category than that of the whore.
AM,
ReplyDeleteJust to clarify, the previous line of my last quote was:
"Therefore, we disagree with the action of Ukrainian feminists FEMEN ......"
John
ReplyDelete'For the record, I never called those in the PR's that name. They show a degree of restraint that leaves them more in the hooligan/blasphemer category than that of the whore.'
Hooligans.
Mackers
your fixation on the word whore is amusing. How sensitive you are big man. People have been called much worse on this blog, myself in particular. I don't remember being so upset, and no one called YOU a whore. Something to hide behind huh? How educated. Being labelled right wing by yourslef is also amusing, it's akin to being called a 'commie' by George Bush. Not relevant. You assume/insist my comments are 'bile' rather than contempt or revulsion. But sure 'assumption is the mother of all major fuck-ups'. Like us teenagers in 1981 assuming you blanketmen and Adams and the IRA knew what you were doing. Now you tell us you were no more clued in than hooligans in a Russian church. Silly us. Silly hungerstrikers. You are correct about male prostitutes, rent boys etc, my error. Perhaps they were forced onto the streets and into it by nagging evil mothers or evil scheming stepmothers who made their lives hell? Not in your wee world no doubt. Women = atomatic goodness/victim.
Russia is a huge place. Stalin murdered 12 million to try and get a grip on the place. The country is used to and respects tough leaders. I would be afraid to live there. Can i judge them or insist they change? Hardly. It's their country. Pussy Riot had their protest, now they are recieving the consequences, i'm sure they knew what they were doing, unlike yourself in the H-Blocks seemingly. How sad.
Ryan
Agreed. But the PC junkies will always trip over themselves to get 'crowing'. The brits and yanks must be loving how easy they are to utilise.
Mackers
ReplyDeleteUpon refliection, having not known what you were doing in the 1980s and now we can all see where Adams and co. were headed, perhaps a quiet word with Marrion Price to the effect that if she should recieve another pardon or parole, she should wise up and act her age? It was all a load of gunk?
Re 'My wife should be jailed for ten years for doing this in Drogheda today'
ReplyDeleteLoved the foto ahaha Very creative too!
Ryan this is the Anthem of Mankind - NB see link below... but the outworkings are never what we fight and protested for = ongoing struggles & dynamics change. Listen to the words & the footage is dead on accurate. Sth Africa is not as deadly as it was way back when... i was once married to a man who was called a 'colored' Him and his mum grew up in the 'colored quarters... But nothing ever pans out how we fight and protest for as corruption and so on rears up... From Ireland to Jo'burg we see this over and over.
ReplyDeleteGoogle it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SN7Pko_jCM&feature=plcp
SMH
ReplyDeleteHopefully we can learn from it.
SMH
ReplyDeletejust saw that you tube link. not sure drugs are the answer to your problems. Beware of divulging too much about past or present partners ethnicity too. Republicanism or feminism wont prevent esteemed champions of the 'people'on here getting racist on your ass.
SMH
ReplyDelete1st time i checked that link i got a rasta singing about drugs. Just double checked there and this time got a film with a soundtrack about equal rights and justice?? At GREAT risk...I'm 'assuming' the second link i got was the one you meant.?
Larry,
ReplyDeleteI have a better idea for Marian.
You put it to her. Don’t try to bully her as it won’t work. How you might handle her question if acting your age means being in your 50s and screaming abuse at 15 year olds, I can really give you no advice on. You have to handle that one all by yourself.
But maybe if you pull her all over the place, have her contradicting herself and making excuses, she might concede the point and claim her position was OTT. What’s there to lose? Any man should be able to beat a woman in an argument don’t you think? Sure they are just spare ribs at the end of the day.
Now, on the merits or otherwise of her position, if she defends it as well as you have defended your own on the current subject, you will turn her inside out. And if she is acting like a child who needs to do some growing up, then you can’t lose.
But, what if you argue against her as well as you have argued here? That poses a problem and I am not sure how you will get round that. You are bound to lose. So you will need to up your game.
So handle it carefully, don’t call her schhol yard names. Prepare your case in advance.
Best advice I can give you. Wish you well.
Larry,
ReplyDeleteMy ‘fixation’ on your whore fetish seems to have upset you. Not much I can do about that. You will continue to lead with your chin.
How sensitive you are big man.
Absolutely. I sense a bully more or less instinctively. They won’t bully women or young girls here. And they can squeal all they want that they are the victims of PC each time they are pulled up on it. few here give a toss.
People have been called much worse on this blog, myself in particular.
Wouldn’t be two of you in it would there?
What people call you hardly concerns me or what you call them. You are all big enough to deal with it. But if somebody starts calling your wife or daughter bilious names, you will see a very different response.
no one called YOU a whore.
Maybe because I can answer back and am not some vulnerable 15 year old girl. Had you have called me a whore we could have laughed about it and put it down to ribaldry between the boys. But you didn't. You thought you would pick on those unable to answer back.
Something to hide behind huh?
Yes. It’s called a contempt for bullying.
Being labelled right wing by yourself is also amusing.
Glad you found something amusing in what has been a pretty unsuccessful venture for you. Always good to have a silver lining. No point in you being down in the dumps over something that will eventually pass even if it is self-inflicted.
You assume/insist my comments are 'bile' rather than contempt or revulsion.
If they are what you imply then argue your case instead of venting your spleen against women? Intelligent arguments are welcome here.
But sure 'assumption is the mother of all major fuck-ups'.
If you are offering that by way of defence for the mother of a fuck up you have made on this issue, I can buy into it.
Now you tell us you were no more clued in than hooligans in a Russian church.
If believing in Santa helps you, feel free. Hardly makes him real. We were no more clued in than political activists in a Russian church. And we faced the same right wing attempts to deny us political legitimacy. Maybe it is political prisoners you don’t like. And the fact that they are women. What horror.
Silly us.
Not much you have said so far that would permit me to disagree with that.
Perhaps they were forced onto the streets and into it by nagging evil mothers or evil scheming stepmothers who made their lives hell?
They whores too?
Not in your wee world no doubt. Women = atomatic goodness/victim.
Santa logic. Not the time of the year. But if it helps console you, feel free.
Can I judge them or insist they change? Hardly. It's their country.
No, you will just judge the powerless as Alfie suggested and pick on them. You can judge women protesting in Church but not Putin. ‘How sad’ indeed. How about the treatment of the Jews in Nazi Germany? Was there no moral obligation to speak out and harshly judge the Nazis. Or was it a case too of ‘how can we when it is their country?’
Ryan
ReplyDeleteMedia does not care about these girls, they just want to bash Putin because of the impending Iran war.
Fails to explain how much of the same media is opposed to any attack on Iran. Some of them have been actively opposing Israeli aggression for years. And outside of the media many of those opposing Putin will also be in any anti war movement if they try to bomb Iran. Sometimes things just capture the public imagination and take on a life of their own. The media I guess were slower to this than the bloggers. It would be a non issue if they had have been chased out of the Church. Keeping them in jail and sentencing them to two years is what has made it an issue. Yet, we know sections of the media would row in behind any war in Iran.
you nor I would have ever heard of this band were it not for the fact that the western media is hyping their cause to attack Putin.
Which is not how I learned about it if I recall. I think I picked it up on a US blog that is very anti war.
Russia needs strong tough autocratic leaders.
This sounds so like Blacks need good strong white masters. Both arguments have been made at different junctures and each are equally untrue.
Most Russians would tell you the exact same thing.
Yet they moved to protect Yeltsin from the autocrats when they bid for power. Strong leadership is vital but strong and autocratic don’t always equate.
If Yeltsin instead of Stalin were in charge in WW2 there's a good chance they(and maybe even us) all would be speaking German.
Had Stalin not been in power another Russian leader may have pursued a better foreign policy in Germany rather than divide the anti fascist forces and thus prevented the Nazi rise to power. Exactly four years prior to Operation Barbarossa, Stalin killed the best of his generals including Tukachevsky who would have made, had they lived, a serious difference in those critical opening stages with Tukachevsky’s concept of deep war.
So the counter argument can be made that Stalin may have made matters worse. From my reading of it Zhukov more than Stalin won the war.
Although you could come back with the response that he was just as autocratic.
One to ponder all round but I don’t share your view on this matter. But I think yours is a position that should be argued out as it raises challenges.
Born Again Larry,
ReplyDelete“Follow follow or fuck off and get a life if ye want to think for yourself.”
If only you could practice what you preach not to insult the intelligence of a parrot but all you do is repeat and embellish with your own twisted slant I doubt that could be defined as thinking for oneself.
“Like us teenagers in 1981 assuming you blanketmen and Adams and the IRA knew what you were doing. Now you tell us you were no more clued in than hooligans in a Russian church. Silly us. Silly hungerstrikers.”
Just an unreasonable question who forced you to follow the militants that seemingly wasted so much of your life obliviously a tentative peace was achieved as you so rigorously mention when it suits your attacks on Marian Price and dissidents. What give you the right to do anything political giving the times, I assume it was something violent and of course, you collected the dole then when all else fails have a midlife crisis and become a born again resentful hypocrite.
Why insult the memory of the Hunger Strikes it takes a brave man to insult the dead. Simple to blame, insult, and brag a genius like you certainly should be a ruler for life. It just as well you have the PQ to rage against the people all “That” failure anger is a heavy burden to lug about all your life. .
John,
ReplyDeletethey are heretic whores so who is going to listen to them? Can't even stand by the girls like a self respecting hooker!!
Mackers
ReplyDelete'What people call you hardly concerns me or what you call them. You are all big enough to deal with it. But if somebody starts calling your wife or daughter bilious names, you will see a very different response'.
Appreciated.
My OTT criticism was not drected at any individual, it was more in the 'abstract'observation on social peoblems. But offensive obviously. Apologies.
Tain Bo
Take my angle with machers in context. The republican 'movement'/leadership took everyone for a ride and continue to do so. I was emphasising that I don't believe for a second mackers and co. were unanware of what they were doing nor indeed unwilling to face the consequences. To contend that a deliberately hooliga and offensive punk rock performance inside a Cathedral was on a par with the blanketmen and hungerstrikers is something i will never buy either. Mackers is way too modest/generous in his determination to afford them a platform.
“Follow follow or fuck off and get a life if ye want to think for yourself.”
That's how dissenters were treated within SF. That's my point. If it was a football team it would have been called psycophant united.
I'm not angry, i have a different life view and outlook than most on here. I'm not trying to be a politician and therefore feel unrestrained in my expressions/observations.
Mackers
ReplyDelete'Can I judge them or insist they change? Hardly. It's their country.
No, you will just judge the powerless as Alfie suggested and pick on them. You can judge women protesting in Church but not Putin. ‘How sad’ indeed. How about the treatment of the Jews in Nazi Germany? Was there no moral obligation to speak out and harshly judge the Nazis. Or was it a case too of ‘how can we when it is their country?’
Hooligans invading a Cathedral is hardly on a par with the holocaust. I'm not knowledgeable enough about Russian politics to attack Putin. Pussy Riot for me defeated their own purpose. Disrespecting and rude, not heroic.
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ReplyDeleteLarry,
ReplyDeleteNobody is questioning your right to be offensive. If you offend opinion so what? It is the putting down of women that is the issue. People can’t do much about their colour, gender, disability etc. Offending them because of that is gratuitous. Offending them because of their views or actions is fair game. You can criticise Pussy Riot all you want. You can try and persuade us that we are off the wall with our views. But you can’t expect a free run when you attack them basically because they are women. Put it like this: 3 rap musicians take over the church and rather than tackling what they do or what they sing you shout ‘niggers’. Do you really expect anybody to feel your gripe is anything other than racist? No matter what you say about some blacks mugging or selling drugs your use of the term ‘nigger’ shifts the entire focus of your argument. It is the same with ‘whore.’ Call them idiots, chancers, self promoters, whatever. The point can be debated. Call them ‘whores’ and it will instantly be seen as bullying and misogyny. There are more than a few people, purely on the basis of what you have said, who feel you harbour a deep hatred of women. If you are acting the maggot and trying to get a rise, it is a dangerous game to play. I think it has moved far beyond that.
As for Pussy Riot: read what they argue and you can see the political content. They made their protest against political injustice. Exactly as were doing during the blanket. Many blanketmen went to jail as teenagers. What developed political thought do most teenagers have? It is not the sophistication of their thought that makes them political prisoners but the fact that they were engaged in political protest. And the state tries to protect its own interests by framing critique of itself as something lacking political substance.
If it was a football team it would have been called sycophant united.
While true it works against your argument that we were all highly politicised in terms of our thought processes. Insurrection is social. Belonging to something tells us nothing about the degree of thinking involved on the part of the individual who belongs.
I'm not trying to be a politician and therefore feel unrestrained in my expressions/observations.
Which is not the issue. Venting anti-women rage has caused the problem here. Women reading you would find constant use of the term ‘whore’ threatening. I know this from having to deal with those that have raised your attitude with me.
I admit to being amazed at the venom with which you lash out at women. And it disappoints me because I expect something different from educated people; something nuanced and differentiated even if robustly presented. Screaming ‘whores’ is hardly an intellectual presentation of your views. And you must at root know it.
I'm not knowledgeable enough about Russian politics to attack Putin.
But knowledgeable enough to attack the women who oppose him in breach of your own non-interference perspective. The Holocaust took place for the most part outside of Germany. Yet inside Germany there was much persecution throughout the 1930s. Your perspective effectively says 'not our business, it is their country.' It is the principle you are establishing even though what has happened to these women does not compare with much of what happened to the Jews in Germany.
It’s sad that it has come to this. But it is not irretrievable. Just requires a bit of reflection, not public acts of contrition or humiliation. But nobody has licence to walk all over people on the basis of their gender.
That’s about all I want to say on the topic. I’m drawing a line under it.
For those who refuse to respect others this will go on, and on:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5jqLym56Yc
If we all act like this, it will be a mad society.
Stop the hooligans now!
@ Larry !! u definitely got the WRONG link lst time off! Ahahaha I don’t advocate usage of illicit drugs but do advocate that illicit be decriminalised to knock the dealers (govts, cia etc) I also believe RAAD got it right re sorting it in communities becos wots a kneecapping compared to the killing off a generation with addiction! BUT that is a WHOLE other debate. O and i don’t use any form of drugs apart from cigs. I bet JJMcGirr hoped you was right lst time & he could get his fangs in some slander LOL No spliffy here lol
ReplyDeleteClarification.
The song IS EQUAL RIGHTS Singer Peter Tosh who was sharp as a razor: ‘ Everyone is talking about crime
Tell me who are the criminals?
I said everyone is talking about crime, crime
Tell me who, who are the criminals?
(Are Pussy Riot girls crims? – no they are not imo)
I don't want no peace
I man need equal rights and justice
I got to get it, equal rights and justice
I really need it, equal rights and justice’
Googled the link/i checked it! Is right link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SN7Pko_jCM&feature=plcp
PS I man is the I and I as God and yourself are one (Rastafari speak) In a rush so hope all makes sense.
John,
ReplyDeletethat was so funny. I laughed at them all tripping over each other to get the protestors out. If the bishop had been raping the altar boy in the pews they would write to the Vatican and ask what to do!
On a serious level, there is no need to disrupt a church service in Germany to make a point. Why disrupt a game of golf in Berlin because a golf club in Moscow mistreats people? There are other ways to make the solidarity protest and raise its profile.
For those who refuse to respect each other ... a change of heart? You going to respect gays from here on in?
SMH
ReplyDeleteI had a good idea the 2nd link was the one. The film was interesting historically too.
Mackers.
I don't hate women. I despise the PC attitude that suggests they alone are devoid of fault and forever persecuted and vctims. There are as many evil scheeming and dangerous females as there are men. I will continue to highlight the point without OTT terms for [self defeating] emphasis. Same with social issues, i wont play the blind man'. The Victorian era is over and women are not straightjacketted any longer nor dependant upon men. That is a welcome situation. The gender 'pendulum' has in my opinion swung not to the centre but too far in favour of females. Legally speaking in issues such as divorce etc, women do as they please with impunity and the law sides with them, especially on property and children issues. Hence many women marry with divorce as the endgame. [NO DOUBT YOU'LL DENY THAT] they are not all wee angels. That's my opinion, and my point. Far too many women are not after equality but are at 'war' with men in general. I defend male rights. I will no doubt be a fascist now huh? I don't 'assume' females are always victims nor even telling the truth, just like men. So, i don't begin by automatically falling in line with feminist issues. Far from it. I have encountered real females in the real world. Your ideals are admirable. I question how widespread they are in reality, among either men or women. Some of the feminists/republicans on here see no contradiction in being racist towards a woman they've not even met in order to try getting a rise out of me. Maybe others don't question such peoples pedigree? I dismiss it.
Perhaps an investigative journalist or two might consider looking into the background of the females [two apparently] who were involved in threesomes with Assange? These 'sessions' seem to have been frequent and only after wikileaks were any allegations made. If the man is sent to the USA he will get life wthout parole or death. No one has even bothered to question or investigate these two human beings [women]. CIA back-hander screams at me in this case. Where are the journalists??? The are all in Russia!! Because a punk band decided to violate the santitiy of a Cathedral to protest and got themselves a two year sentence. Begs questions about journos being in governments hip-pockets. He who pays the piper and all that??
obviouslyMackers
ReplyDelete'I have a better idea for Marian'
Any advice that didn't involve her ACCEPTING a pardon AND parole and then flaunting herself with paramilitaries at every oportunity might be wise advice. But that may not fit in with the world acording to PQ and Marian Price. Three wise monkeys are the judges i suggest. Seriously funny. Do you expect if she is released she won't be doing her parading again? I see nothing to suggest so. Not saying she shouldn't be parading, but if shes still at war, then cake and eat it comes to mind; the brits are meeting her challenge. No doubt I'm way off the mark here. Just a viewpoint. Haven't heard of Collie Duffy asking for a pardon..just seems at odds to me, something messed up there in Marian's 'tactics'. Pardon..parole..still at war...Yes I'm obviously the confused one. You keep knocking yerself out, maybe good for her shes a friend of yours or I doubt youd be as unquestioning about her choices.
AM,
ReplyDelete'For those who refuse to respect each other ... a change of heart? You going to respect gays from here on in?''
It is because I respect them as people that I would prefer that they acted in accordance with their human nature.
I certainly wouldn't condone hooliganism towards them.
John
ReplyDelete'I certainly wouldn't condone hooliganism towards them.'
My nerves are getting frayed, I find myself in agreement with you once more. The Cathedral protest was deliberately rude and unnecessarily offensive. But it is what feminism is too often all about. I have no time for the RC hierarchy, but I do still see the inside of churches as places of reflection, worship and tranquility. Even sanctuary. Lets not forget either the role played by the RC clergy in this country from O'Connell's electoral emmergence right through the land war. Not to mention an education standard second to none. So unfortunate the abuse went on and is covered up til today. But the Pussy Riot [vagina vandals] stunt was not dignified. But defended from pillar to post none-the-less. I think you are in the right on this issue.
Larry,
ReplyDelete'My nerves are getting frayed, I find myself in agreement with you once more.'
This is eerie. I must say I think you have made a number of good points throughout this thread.
'The Cathedral protest was deliberately rude and unnecessarily offensive.'
It certainly was. That is what I meant about a degree of respect. Such actions, and especially the cutting down of the crucifix, will only end in violent confrontation between people. It is not only Moslems who have a breaking point. There are those who will not tolerate such actions.
AM,
ReplyDeleteI thought this might interest you. :))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnghY8Fol8s
John
ReplyDeletePLEASE!! steady on old boy or the PC brigade will be organising a same sex marriage for us.
mackers
ReplyDeleteThe new format of the blog is 1st class. Impressive. Did you manage that yourself?
John,
ReplyDeleteI am so pleased to hear that. You must be mellowing. Not so long ago you were approving them being burned. There is hope yet!
I thought this might interest you. :))
ReplyDeleteJohn,
I might have but the minute I saw him I burst out laughing and switched it back
Larry,
ReplyDeletethanks but I can't take the credit. I am kind of hopeless when it comes to tech things. I think it looks well.
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"I thought this might interest you. :))"
ReplyDelete'I might have but the minute I saw him I burst out laughing and switched it back'
What is that about not judging a book by its cover? It is definitely worth a viewing. If only they were not schismatics and heretics I might jump ship!
John,
ReplyDeletenot long in. Too tired. Most articles I put links to I don't even get to read beyond the title. If they come through on Alternet or something else and the title seems on topic I just link it. The following just came though. I would love to read it but know I won't get around to it
How My Church Tried to Make Me Hate Gay People
'If it's a legitimate rape'
ReplyDeleteWhen I heard that I 'assumed' [danger danger] he meant if it wasn't a 'false accusation'. The more I read that the more I believe Republican politicians in the USA are well paired with Islam and it's holy war. Looney tunes. These guys are off the political rhicter scale; an embarrassment and do men a total injustice. They are not trying to deliberately antagonise anyone either, they are running for the Whitehouse! I wonder could we get them locked into a room with those extreme feminists who hate all things male like 'manhole covers' black-'male' etc etc lol. Be good viewing..for about 2 minutes.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/08/22/cops-lesbian-fakes-attack-in-which-she-carved-anti-gay-slurs-into-skin/
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDeleteyou get more people to read what you link if they don't have to copy and paste but can go straight to the linked piece.
Cops: Lesbian Fakes Attack In Which She Carved Anti-Gay Slurs Into Skin
John and Larry,
ReplyDeletethis comes to mind when I think of
your new alliance
!!!!
John
ReplyDeleteread that link and I'm astounded she is pleading not guilty and her lawyer claiming it was a traumatic experence. Not as traumatic for four guys that may have been scooped and fingered for it i suggest. [black guys could have come in handy?] At least she didn't do it in a church and blame the clergy. They have enough on their plate without the likes of this 'activist'.
Mackers
Glad you are getting a tickle out of the 'detante' lol. Out of curiosity which one am I? Sorry to disappoint you however, John and I will not be kissing or holding hands, we are 'normal'. [couldn't help that!]
Larry,
ReplyDeleteyou can be the thinnest
John
ReplyDelete'That is what I meant about a degree of respect. Such actions, and especially the cutting down of the crucifix, will only end in violent confrontation between people. It is not only Moslems who have a breaking point. There are those who will not tolerate such actions.'
Criminal damage. Short and simple. I know mackers suggested it was no less valid than blowing up furniture shops but I'm sure he wouldn't be advocating that sort of thing here now either. But didn't really want to go down that line...nor equating the objection to the Pussy Rioters in a Cathedral as somehow linked to 'excusng'the holocaust. Anyhow.. regardless of their stunt and resultant publicity, if they were playing in Letterkenny town square I'd not go to see them.
BTW I hope i get to be Stalin.
OMG..if John is fatter than me he's in trouble.
ReplyDeleteAM,
ReplyDelete'you get more people to read what you link if they don't have to copy and paste but can go straight to the linked piece.'
How do yo do that?
Larry,
'BTW I hope i get to be Stalin.'
That's okay with me. I always saw him as worse than the other fella, but not much between them. Both of them were probably better than that warmonger Churchill.
John
ReplyDeleteI'm happy to be Adolf but only if I'm Freddie Starr's version.
John,
ReplyDeletecopy your link and paste it in between the inverted commas and over the word link.
Then put your title in over the word title.
It is much easier
Any trouble let me know
title
Larry and John,
ReplyDeleteit's not that you have to choose to be one or the other. It is meant to suggest the gap you both have to bridge to make that alliance work. I await the explosion!
Mackers
ReplyDelete'I await the explosion!'
Good stuff, very funny indeed. Who is Poland I'm wondering? There are many sides to a persons character. Many different likes and dislikes. That's what makes life interesting and worthwhile. People trying to blinker and force others to conform to their views and placing mental straightjackets on society are bores, when they aren't being downright malicious. Life is good. Neither John nor I have surrendered, decommissioned or joined the rainbow [pc correct] warriors.
Larry,
ReplyDelete'Neither John nor I have surrendered, decommissioned or joined the rainbow [pc correct] warriors.'
Not a bullet, not an ounce.
Larry-there are as many evil scheeming and dangerous females as there are men
ReplyDeleteI have to strongly disagree, would substitute "as many" with "far more." Count me amongst the anti PC crowd.
AM-
You forgot to mention another racist assumption that one that Arabs are unable to have democracy because all they would do would elect Islamist leaders intent on administering Sharia law. Thank god that was disproven. Iraq, Tunisia, Egypt and Gaza have shown us that secular democratic societies are possible....ooops wait.. hold on a minute.....
Ryan
ReplyDeleteIf people opt for Sharia Law who are we to tell them differen? I mean many western governments are elected with less than 50% of the electorate and go on to lecture the rest of the planet. But then again we have democracy, the right to choose, between FG or FF, Labour or Conservatives, and Democrats and Republicans..ie. TWEEDLE DUMB AND TWEEDLE DUMBER!
John.
Not a bullet not an ounce.
Those were the days when Adams and McGuinness had the world convinced they were in 1921 style negotiations with the Brits and the confused and disoriented in the ranks held a very suspicious 'belief' in them. Agh those were the days my friend.
Pussy Riot [coppy-cats...no pun intended] could face lengthier sentences in Germany.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.thelocal.de/national/20120823-44541.html
'Pussy Riot [coppy-cats...no pun intended] could face lengthier sentences in Germany.'
ReplyDelete'"The peace of Cologne Cathedral was disturbed - we can't and won't accept this," said the cathedral's dean Robert Kleine in the Frankfurter Rundschau newspaper.'
After the excessively lenient sentence of three members of PR it is now time to 'throw the book' at these hooligans/blasphemers.
If they are not dealt with adequately it will be difficult to control the anti-religious hysteria that is being whipped up in the decadent west.
John
ReplyDeleteThe interesting thing here is that the incident took place last Sunday. This is Friday and the media are only breaking it now in a much less vigorous manner. Confirms in my view the 'agenda' against Russia just now.
Ryan,
ReplyDeletea professor at Harvard, Eric Chaney, did a paper a while back on the type of problem you refer to. He thinks the obstacles to democracy in these countries (and some others) go back 1000 years.
Sharia law as you suggest is a serious challenge to human rights and people's right to reject religious authority. Stoning people to death for adultery or persecuting gays is not the type of society I would ever want to live in.
But they even try to introduce it in societies which are secular. Like canon law it should have the same status as golf club rules.
It would be strange were we to demand democracy for ourselves but for it to be denied to others. It is axiomatic to make the point that prior to all countries being democratic they weren't!
AM-
ReplyDeleteThey want to introduce it to the entire world. A one world Islamic caliphate under Islamic law is the goal of many Islamists. I have no trust in any of these so called Arab revolutions. I think they're all Islamist fronts. These rebels in Syria could be worse than Assad for all we know.
Larry-if people opt for sharia law we should side with the minority who want no part of it.
Ryan,
ReplyDelete'They want to introduce it to the entire world. A one world Islamic caliphate under Islamic law is the goal of many Islamists.'
This is often overlooked by the Left. When we ran the anti theocratic cartoons back in 2006 the sections of the Left were livid. We were called racists and Islamophobes amongst a few other things.
Yet, much of the dynamic and sponsorship has come from the secular West.
Ryan.
ReplyDeleteIts now the Crusaders in Reverse, but, then again, how could crusaders , so called, deeply religious, Slay Muslims because they were against the western God?.
The upsurge in the gulf states is, and, has been well organised by Islamic fundamentalists to overthrow their (so called) leaders (dictators) and impose their own Islamic laws in those states, and, then, Impose it throughout the world, whether people want it, or, not. If those teaching the suicide bombers would only pull a jacket on and try it themselves, Then there would be fewer drugged up suicide bombers.!.
But, food for thought, we all live in a dictatorship now, we vote our Cunts in and they tell us how much money they want from us to pay their salaries!, we are all on a gigantic roller coaster = No Win Situation. so I say, Fuck them all, Anarchy is what is needed, everyone is lining their pockets, at our expense. Paupers always have to pay there way.
I don't fancy sharia law, and i'd get subversive to overthrow it in Ireland. But going around the globe inssting our system is best and 'must' be the choice of all nations is a little too 'British' for me.
ReplyDeleteItsjustmacker
You sound a little angry, be careful or Tain Bo will think we are twins.
Larry.
ReplyDeleteI am not angry, I just can't fathom why muslim women have to hide their beauty, must be 100% dedicated to there Husband who is allowed to fuck about all he wants, no education for girls, that is living in the past.
Tain Bo
ReplyDeleteMy mrs got an education, shes a physio...but it isn't doin her or us any good here. catch 22.
Larry Tain Bo Ryan itsjustmackers you’s r all wigging out JohnMcGirr ye r permanently wigged out lolz
ReplyDelete@Itsjustmackers check out this re what you said Son of Hamas see link below. His dad was one of the founders of Hamas but his son rejected Islam etc I am reading the son’s book – finally got a hold of a hardprint copy and giving it to an Arab friend... Is quite gobsmacking the book. Thats his website. Worthy of a lookin & gives good insights into what u was saying.
http://sonofhamas.com/
@JJMcGirr JihadJohnism or Sharia
Decisions decisions Nah! tis easy to hell with both!
@Larry! You need 2 listen to REAL jig it music Get down wif- Sydney’s best Arabic band HOT as! These guys tear it up. Best music comes out of the most oppressed cultures Bursting with rage & joy. I thought i saw the popes head on end of one of them swords but it was just wishful thinkin! Lolz (yoohooooooo JJ)
Google:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umC8wacKz10&feature=plcp
@ Anthony the blog looks great revamped!
Alfie,
ReplyDelete‘non-violent civil disobedience’ is a well established tradition that is not always given due consideration. And it is not always the easiest options. Apart from the power that is used to crush it the ‘rule of law’ perspective will seek to criminalise it. The arguments have been well rehearsed in the Boston College affair. Nobody would be able to challenge anything if they slavishly accepted the rule of law perspective.
Fionnuchu,
Always liked Johnny R. Saw him a few weeks ago on a TV discussion and was a bit peeved. He interrupted far too often so we could only hear him and not the debate. His book is very good.
SMH,
Thanks. Carrie cleaned it up well.
Pussy Riot release new single Putin Lights up the Fires - video
ReplyDeleteAM,
ReplyDelete'Pussy Riot release new single Putin Lights up the Fires - video'
I would lock them up on the basis of this abominable, squawking, cacophony alone.
went to the cinema tonight..the film had me thinking of us bloggers on the Quill; 'The Expendables 2.
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDeletethere is some merit in that now
SMH.
ReplyDeleteThanks for that link, very intriguing , I downloaded the 1hr 30min audio and the first 19 pages of his book, I have not listened to the audio yet , but i will when i get time.
As for your comment about John McGirr, sorry i don't know what your on about!
SMH
ReplyDeleteChecked out that link this morning. I was expecting something outlandish. Seemed pretty formal if anything. Liked the dancing I have to say. Bit of bellydancing is hard to beat, as long as Susan Boyle isn't performng it.
Maybe you can clarify your point here, I'm stumped.
'Larry Tain Bo Ryan itsjustmackers you’s r all wigging out JohnMcGirr ye r permanently wigged out lolz'
Larry,
ReplyDelete'As for your comment about John McGirr, sorry i don't know what your on about!'
My guess is the whinging whacka be spewin a gobful of Aussie talk.
It is as dry as a dead dingo's donger.
I think she has a kangaroo loose in the top paddock and is just being a raw prawn.
@ Larry wigged out ='s going off the air/nutso/amadan etc
ReplyDeleteRe the music yeah i love arabic music
@ itsjustmackers re '@JJMcGirr JihadJohnism or Sharia
Decisions decisions Nah! tis easy to hell with both!'
Was ahavin a go at religions and their dictates specifically Vatican & Sharia law & dumping abit on JohnMcGirr (insert a saintly smile)
@JJMcGirr No-one uses those terms downunder U know it is just cringesville when people do. But i admit it was funny you dished it lol Listen JohnMcGirr when its all said and done life is too short for hate and we all know it. Sometimes we detour into it however I have great faith that underneath that toxic layer of latin obsession/religious claptrap there could well be a human being strugglin to get out. Push John push ... lolz
SMH,
ReplyDeleteI confess that when I read John McGirr doing that I burst out laughing because it was funny. What would we do without humour?
SMH,
ReplyDelete'...I have great faith that underneath that toxic layer of latin obsession/religious claptrap there could well be a human being strugglin to get out. Push John push ... lolz'
Ach, thank you, Mary. That is the nicest thing you have ever said to me!
Others Have Suffered Worse than Pussy Riot and Julian Assange: Remember Them Too
ReplyDeleteBorn Again Larry,
ReplyDeleteit is a sad fact as the north nears 8% unemployment and rising with and without a degree too many people competing for too few jobs. Even on distant shores, people face the same problems. Good luck to you and your wife and anyone else facing the same struggle.
Chronic unemployment should be labeled a disease as long term affects are debilitating for individuals and worse for families.
SMH,
ReplyDeleteI can’t speak for the other four accused wiggers as for myself guilty as charged I had a good laugh reading that.
Tain Bo
ReplyDeleteThe work scene is chronic. I'm having a 'mid-life-crisis' in that area as by the time those fat, self servers in the Dail fix things i'll be pensionable. So much to do, so little time to do it. A friend said she stopped putting her PHD on applications. She was depressed being told she was over qualified. Too costly to employ maybe. Again, catch 22.
Larry,
ReplyDeleteat this rate we will be lucky if there is a pension to collect.
How a punk band could be Putin's strongest opposition
ReplyDeleteTai Bo
ReplyDeleteNon-contributory pension [dole pension] is the only way to go. Get a wee house paid off and chillax. Why invest in a private pension for the government to shamelessly rob it...AGAIN!!
Larry,
ReplyDeleteYou wouldn’t deny our politicians the privileges they work so tireless for after all Mr. Adams needs a place to go when he takes Thursdays off.
Tain Bo
ReplyDeleteit's sad but all those who worked in factories or other jobs and contributed into pension funds for a cozy retirement were robbed. The fact is corruption is the new 'politic' and it's shamelessly open in its dealings. We now have to avoide/circumvent government in oreder to survive in our old-er age.
I see two women found dead in a flat in Russia with the statement free pussy riot written on the wall. Going a bit far with their protest are they not?
ReplyDeleteLarry,
ReplyDeletehttp://www.lifesitenews.com/news/free-pussy-riot-scrawled-in-blood-at-murder-scene
Strange times we are living in.
John
ReplyDeleteseems wired up to me that feminists wear hotpants and go topless to destroy crosses highlighting the persecution of religion under communism. Not sure myself why the church is singled out for attack nor why feminists are showing their tits. I seem to be missing something and I must say I'm content to continue missing it. They are of no interest to me.
mackers
ReplyDeletecriminal damage is criminal damage. Those chainsaw 'hooters' girls should be charged.
Pussy riot prisoner on hunger strike
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ReplyDeleteNadezhda Tolokonnikova, Jailed Pussy Riot Member, Ends Hunger Strike
She's getting moved to another prison it seems..