tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post9098664105738155038..comments2024-03-29T08:30:16.027+00:00Comments on TPQ: No Border — Irish Unity NowAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-55239921084750925752018-06-29T19:43:50.224+01:002018-06-29T19:43:50.224+01:00David Higgins said
'I never said overturning ...David Higgins said<br /><br />'I never said overturning the referendum would be fair, I said it wouldn't surprise me if it was accepted. As it was in the 26. I agree with your assessment of the eu.'<br /><br />Ah, I get you now. <br /><br />'My original point was and remains it makes me laugh when Brit nationalists scream shenanigans when their political procedure is influenced Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-40748707603890922642018-06-22T19:09:28.543+01:002018-06-22T19:09:28.543+01:00frankie said:
'Straight Q, do you smoke the s...frankie said:<br /><br />'Straight Q, do you smoke the same stuff as Daithi?'<br /><br />Don't do any of that stuff, frankie. Just sober reflection!<br /><br />'[At the moment we are trying to restore power to the politicians in the UK who we can vote out in the next election.]<br />I will try to go along with you line of thought. So next March Brexit is all done and dusted with Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-91461520171296084432018-06-22T16:22:08.532+01:002018-06-22T16:22:08.532+01:00Wolfesbane,
I never said ov...Wolfesbane,<br /> I never said overturning the referendum would be fair, I said it wouldn't surprise me if it was accepted. As it was in the 26. I agree with your assessment of the eu. My original point was and remains it makes me laugh when Brit nationalists scream shenanigans when their political procedure is influenced even, by tactics widely accepted and their long,Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-37433365438035225462018-06-21T19:17:43.212+01:002018-06-21T19:17:43.212+01:00David Higgins said:
'The British collective g...David Higgins said:<br /><br />'The British collective government, labour or tory are dishonest with their public on all major decisions. There's never grave consequences.'<br /><br />I agree. They promise extra NHS money, or Education - and then tell you why that was not possible or even that they have fulfilled the promise in some convoluted way. We expect that, and if it us too Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-76209462392931586042018-06-19T16:59:53.107+01:002018-06-19T16:59:53.107+01:00Wolfie,
Straight Q, do you smoke the same stuff as...Wolfie,<br />Straight Q, do you smoke the same stuff as Daithi?<br /><br />" At the moment we are trying to restore power to the politicians in the UK who we can vote out in the next election. "<br /><br /> I will try to go along with you line of thought. So next March Brexit is all done and dusted with the border fudged. What about Stormount? How do you restore power to there Where isfrankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-68033134857152481752018-06-17T20:59:02.323+01:002018-06-17T20:59:02.323+01:00frankie said:
'I think we both agreed on Heat...frankie said:<br /><br />'I think we both agreed on Heath but I have problems getting my head around a few things you said.." At the moment we are trying to restore power to the politicians in the UK who we can vote out in the next election. We can't change the EU government like that, so we need out of the EU." <br />How do you expect to sort anything out at a political level Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-64039226689106063632018-06-17T17:00:15.928+01:002018-06-17T17:00:15.928+01:00Wolfesbane,
The British c...Wolfesbane,<br /> The British collective government, labour or tory are dishonest with their public on all major decisions. There's never grave consequences. I would go as far to suggest if the political pro eu element get the decision reversed it would be accepted. Me and you have different ideas of stolen liberty. If there's a relatively fair democratic process, Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69376424119962714262018-06-16T16:02:24.091+01:002018-06-16T16:02:24.091+01:00Wolife I think we both agreed on Heath but I have ...Wolife I think we both agreed on Heath but I have problems getting my head around a few things you said..<br /><br />" At the moment we are trying to restore power to the politicians in the UK who we can vote out in the next election. We can't change the EU government like that, so we need out of the EU."<br /><br />How do you expect to sort anything out at a political level when frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-63043791393462344842018-06-15T18:24:51.053+01:002018-06-15T18:24:51.053+01:00Steve R said:
'We all need 'saved' by...Steve R said:<br /><br />'We all need 'saved' by the very person who is condemning us to Hell if we don't listen to him.<br />That's a special kind of bollocks that may convince you but not I Wolfie.'<br /><br />Do you dismiss the concept of Pardon? That, say, the President as head of the State that condemns you to life imprisonment may grant you pardon?<br /><br />God Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-75483661160225009912018-06-15T18:12:56.494+01:002018-06-15T18:12:56.494+01:00frankie said:
'I have seen some people use He...frankie said:<br /><br />'I have seen some people use Heath in various ways to boltster their arguments. Why?<br />He wasn't intrested in the EU or the debates around the first EU referendum. He was more intrested in sending Paras to the streets of Ballymurphy and Derry to slaughter innocent men, women and children and spent his weekends raping young boys along with Jimmy Savile.'<br Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-80690993641688141002018-06-15T17:28:40.624+01:002018-06-15T17:28:40.624+01:00David Higgins,
I'm just back from holiday in ...David Higgins,<br /><br />I'm just back from holiday in Roscommon. Lovely place and courteous people. The traffic actually stopped when they saw you on the kerb waiting to cross! seemed to be the norm too, not an exception.<br /><br />You said:<br />'The leap you made there is laughable and you know it, you know what I meant. If people believe politicians lies that's on them. Many Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-47811017456942189192018-06-10T22:35:55.790+01:002018-06-10T22:35:55.790+01:00I have seen some people use Heath in various ways ...I have seen some people use Heath in various ways to boltster their arguments. Why?<br /><br />He wasn't intrested in the EU or the debates around the first EU referendum. He was more intrested in sending Paras to the streets of Ballymurphy and Derry to slaughter innocent men, women and children and spent his weekends raping young boys along with Jimmy Savile.<br /><br />The man was a frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-36343045521433071932018-06-09T12:06:10.873+01:002018-06-09T12:06:10.873+01:00Wolfesbane,
The leap you m...Wolfesbane,<br /> The leap you made there is laughable and you know it, you know what I meant. If people believe politicians lies that's on them. Many times? Everything done to the British people was done under the British constitutional politics, ironically enough apart from the referendum as their parliament is soverign. If you want to get outraged there's plenty Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-86471452977493140332018-06-08T21:13:18.823+01:002018-06-08T21:13:18.823+01:00David Higgins said:
'Referendums are never in ...David Higgins said:<br />'Referendums are never in practice one issue affairs, they're usually big questions with far reaching consequences.'<br /><br />There are usually several consequences that follow any choice - but the choice given is the line that has to be answered. Offering a false option is to negate the vote. If you vote for free health care as promised by the government Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-63626879545403162532018-06-08T20:57:22.377+01:002018-06-08T20:57:22.377+01:00Steve R said:
'We all need 'saved' by ...Steve R said:<br />'We all need 'saved' by the very person who is condemning us to Hell if we don't listen to him. That's a special kind of bollocks that may convince you but not I Wolfie.'<br /><br />The difference is that we have committed crimes against Him, including the crimes against our fellowman who He made in His own image. We would deserve His righteous wrath - Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3465324373833975492018-06-08T02:35:29.022+01:002018-06-08T02:35:29.022+01:00Wolfesbane,
Referendums ar...Wolfesbane,<br /> Referendums are never in practice one issue affairs, they're usually big questions with far reaching consequences. Your argument against Heath could be made by the remain side against Johnson, do you not see that. Again if people have the chance to vote the can't declare they have been dragged anywhere, regardless of the tactics used, and call Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-8428212264725719672018-06-03T23:33:00.427+01:002018-06-03T23:33:00.427+01:00We all need 'saved' by the very person who...We all need 'saved' by the very person who is condemning us to Hell if we don't listen to him.<br /><br />That's a special kind of bollocks that may convince you but not I Wolfie.<br /><br />Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26017668181660212382018-06-03T16:24:21.173+01:002018-06-03T16:24:21.173+01:00David, you said:
'Being lied to isn't an a...David, you said:<br />'Being lied to isn't an argument, all politicians lie, being a thoughtful adult means discecting manifestos or arguments and seeing if any thing resonates. Taking professional debaters and liars at face value is childish.'<br /><br />Of course, we would not expect a politician to make good on all their promises. We know they inflate much and deliver little. BUT Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-81011143670082067122018-06-02T09:27:15.655+01:002018-06-02T09:27:15.655+01:00Wolfsbane,
Being lied to isn&...Wolfsbane,<br /> Being lied to isn't an argument, all politicians lie, being a thoughtful adult means discecting manifestos or arguments and seeing if any thing resonates. Taking professional debaters and liars at face value is childish. My point remains the same the British people were dragged into nothing. Indeed a lot of them want the vote overturned. In reference to Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-40572375818183307622018-06-01T15:51:38.216+01:002018-06-01T15:51:38.216+01:00David Higgins,
We were lied to by Heath, to get u...David Higgins,<br /><br />We were lied to by Heath, to get us to enter the ECC. I didn't believe him then and voted No, and time has shown it was indeed a lie. The intent all along has been an ever-closer union - with an EU as the United States of Europe. Many of the leaders have opened boasted of that intent. The Blairs and the Majors and all the other Europhiles cynically used the Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-46020279309888042822018-05-31T17:21:04.881+01:002018-05-31T17:21:04.881+01:00Wolfsbane,
It always brings ...Wolfsbane,<br /> It always brings a wry smile to my face when I hear British unionists like yourself talking about saving British liberty. It's been over 70 years since British liberties were even remotely threatened. Any laws imposed on upon the British people, including joining and leaving the common market, have been done using British constitutional politics, a Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-80873506596554314292018-05-31T15:09:56.344+01:002018-05-31T15:09:56.344+01:00Steve R,
No, I don't think the religious fre...Steve R, <br /><br />No, I don't think the religious freedoms enshrined in any law of the Soviet Union, China, Albania, Cuba, etc. were of any effect. The gulags, prison cells, psychiatric hospitals and crematoria were the norms for Christian citizens.<br /><br />Like you, I deplore theocracies, but atheism is effectively a secular religion, and a very intolerant one too. Those who reject itWolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-86873912436808451942018-05-30T23:04:58.452+01:002018-05-30T23:04:58.452+01:00Wolfie,
If it was truly an atheist state human ri...Wolfie,<br /><br />If it was truly an atheist state human rights would be enshrined in the law of the land.<br /><br />If it was a theocracy, the religiously indoctrinated will dispense of human rights as per their whim using justification from obscure bronze age desert myths as their 'righteousness'.<br /><br />You are also an atheist Wolfie, don't kid yourself. You don't believeSteve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-9319321838066944012018-05-30T16:55:16.033+01:002018-05-30T16:55:16.033+01:00Steve R, I see you assume everyone who believes in...Steve R, I see you assume everyone who believes in God or gods is a hypocrite. I can see what sort of UI you envisage, and it's not one I would aspire to. Atheist domination replacing Catholic domination has no appeal to me and my fellow Evangelicals north and south. It will attract some godless Protestants, of course. Together you might well get the Ireland of your dreams. As a modern BobbyWolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495589127117406007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74638535607858003362018-05-30T00:04:13.852+01:002018-05-30T00:04:13.852+01:00Could abortion rights be the issue that trundles N...Could abortion rights be the issue that trundles Northern Ireland into a United Ireland/ The thought just came to me.Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.com