tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post8396226405324169136..comments2024-03-28T17:44:07.653+00:00Comments on TPQ: Zionism Has Become An Existential Threat — To JewsAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-58749391881840526562018-06-10T16:56:22.401+01:002018-06-10T16:56:22.401+01:00Julian,
To be persuasive entails a ...Julian,<br /> To be persuasive entails a degree of arrogance. All you can do is say what you feel, listen, sometimes you learn a new way of thinking other times you become further entrenched either way you move on. I've no illusions about various groups/ideologies lobbying power, my point was in the west, I can think of none more powerful in western Europe than Zionism and maybeDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-83275507967215588652018-06-10T09:17:16.806+01:002018-06-10T09:17:16.806+01:00David,
It’s a shame, not least for the Palestini...David, <br /><br />It’s a shame, not least for the Palestinian cause, that you “have no interest in being persuasive” because persuasion is part of the political and peacemaking process. I want only for there to be lasting peace in the region.<br /><br />China does lobby in various guises (look at some of the dealings of Lehman-Bush in 2011). Watch, also, the Chinese government’s response the Julianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04348059498679670777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74068482219264935962018-06-09T11:51:30.861+01:002018-06-09T11:51:30.861+01:00Barry,
I don't know if it's un...Barry,<br /> I don't know if it's unique though certainly powerful therefore worth vigilance. Not read Hilary' book although my opinion of that women couldn't be lower. Why people like yourself defend her is a source of bewilderment to me. Would advise you to read Christopher Hitchens work on the clintons, there crimes are too many to document. what I mean by hysteria Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-79829270344452853072018-06-09T08:57:06.120+01:002018-06-09T08:57:06.120+01:00I find Stanley Cohen, the author of this piece, a ...I find Stanley Cohen, the author of this piece, a morally courageous individual. He has taken up the unpopular cause and detonated the bomb of disapproval at his own feet rather than lob it over the wall behind which he can seek safety. <br /><br />When very young I thought groups like Black September were the proper answer to Israeli repression, the Munich attack was great, the Jews were AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-64597575516357619072018-06-08T22:59:00.717+01:002018-06-08T22:59:00.717+01:00David
So is Zionism a uniquely power driven ideol...David<br /><br />So is Zionism a uniquely power driven ideology in your opinion?<br /><br />The concerns about Russian interference in the US Presidential election (and most likely in the Brexit referendum on top of their support for the far right in France , Hungary and Austria) arise not from hysteria but well documented evidence as in Hilary Clinton's book "What Happened". Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-1338264630532657042018-06-08T14:26:15.768+01:002018-06-08T14:26:15.768+01:00Julian,
I've no interest in being ...Julian,<br /> I've no interest in being persuasive. I think you answer your own question, disproportionate attention is a direct response to disproprotionate influence. That's the key word. If China, as you mentioned, had lobbies in major western political parties then they would be scrutinised as closely. To me that's just common sense. look at the Russian hysteria in theDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-75641744014048637252018-06-08T03:00:12.133+01:002018-06-08T03:00:12.133+01:00David, to be persuasive, you really do need to add...David, to be persuasive, you really do need to address the question. A whole range of nation states have been supported by high profile villains involved for financial and military gain (King Leopold in Belgium etc.) But why the disproportionate attention on Israel? Maybe you are against all nationalisms. That could be a defensible position. But why start with Israel, not, for instance, China?Julianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04348059498679670777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-11178774048922915942018-06-07T23:04:21.707+01:002018-06-07T23:04:21.707+01:00Barry,
You would have to have no heart ...Barry,<br /> You would have to have no heart not to empathise with the Jewish people and no brain not to understand the yearning for a homeland. That, however doesn't mean you can't be objective when presented with evidence. The two state solution is a non starter, where would the state of Palestine be? The best solution for Palestinians, as i see it, is to be equal citizens in Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-71785515825208751242018-06-07T13:35:07.168+01:002018-06-07T13:35:07.168+01:00David
Actually there is a lot in the article I ag...David<br /><br />Actually there is a lot in the article I agree with. Yes, Likudnik expansive nationalism is deeply unpleasant just like the populist nationalism on the rampage in Europe today. <br /><br />But where I disagree with the article is its description of Zionism as a settler, colonial enterprise. The State of Israel was founded as a place of refuge for Jews feeling the Shoah/Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-87503487422470959332018-06-07T00:50:30.431+01:002018-06-07T00:50:30.431+01:00Julian,
Peoples opinion on the Israel...Julian,<br /> Peoples opinion on the Israel/Palestine question is their own. I have sympathy for both. I am merely pointing out the obvious distinction between Zionism and other national movements.<br /> Barry, debating people like you is debating robots, the same arguments come up constantly, anti semitic trope? It's a non statement, extend it far enough and any Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-51828868642909813582018-06-06T17:55:17.836+01:002018-06-06T17:55:17.836+01:00David
Invocation of the power of the Rothschilds...David <br /><br />Invocation of the power of the Rothschilds is a classic antisemitic trope of both far right abnd far left.<br /><br />Unlike Saudi Arabia and the city state of Geneva , the State of Israel was founded on liberal democratic and Jewish principles. Zionism is just another form of nationalism with left wing, right wing, secular and religious manifestations. Why the need to Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-270912088289321602018-06-06T04:52:37.399+01:002018-06-06T04:52:37.399+01:00David,
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. I ...David,<br /> <br />Thank you for your thoughtful comment. I see the connection you make with Israel, colonialism and banking. But is there a nation state on the planet that does not owe its existence to the architects of imperialism and finance of some kind or another? Further there were times in history when Israelis fought against colonial powers (e.g. against the British). Does it not Julianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04507575338803396199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17986129781225103312018-06-05T19:23:01.710+01:002018-06-05T19:23:01.710+01:00Julian,
I think the simple answer to ...Julian,<br /> I think the simple answer to that is the high profile people who are Zionist. Cecil Rhodes, Churchill through to the Clintonsm Macron so on and so forth, and of course everybody's favourite bogey men the Rothschilds. If any movement had that calibre of operators it would come under just as much scrutinyDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-39081433639235037592018-06-05T03:09:02.479+01:002018-06-05T03:09:02.479+01:00I think what puzzles many Jewish people, though, i...I think what puzzles many Jewish people, though, is why Zionism is singled out above all other nationalisms that are equally rampant today and, in fact, lay claims to much larger territories and peoples. The left have not been intellectually persuasive on this. Why is this occupation different from all others?Julianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04348059498679670777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-6662828412793151622018-05-19T00:25:19.333+01:002018-05-19T00:25:19.333+01:00An interesting read. I have long said Zionism is a...An interesting read. I have long said Zionism is a global obstacle to social justice. Thought the religious point was well made, Sam Harris springs to mind, when celebrity atheists are pointing out the fascist element within Islam, or the moral inconsistences within Christianity they never mention the State of Israel was founded on the same line as these religions, the holy trinity of war, the Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.com