tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post6748932882454462435..comments2024-03-29T06:51:03.388+00:00Comments on TPQ: Hating Muslims In The Age Of Trump AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-28050563021717831332018-11-07T21:55:45.551+00:002018-11-07T21:55:45.551+00:00But let’s not forget the mean messages some Muslim...But let’s not forget the mean messages some Muslimah get in the West though, both sides need to stop targeting women: https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2018/05/egypts-disappearing-coptic-women-and-girls/DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-33630049279080148182018-11-06T20:12:28.152+00:002018-11-06T20:12:28.152+00:00Let’s see the reaction Grenade O Connor (whatever ...Let’s see the reaction Grenade O Connor (whatever her name is now) gets with this tweet just to see if hate is treated the same regardless of religion :<br /><br />“I'm terribly sorry. What I'm about to say is something so racist I never thought my soul could ever feel it. But truly I never wanna spend time with white people again (if that's what non-muslims are called). Not for oneDaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-85438029654977754522018-11-05T17:41:00.321+00:002018-11-05T17:41:00.321+00:00Although these articles are welcome, the fixation ...Although these articles are welcome, the fixation with Trump is a bit much, he's probably not even islamophobic, just pandering to his core who got him elected. Non muslims had no problems hating muslims before Trump, is it worse now than immediately after 9/11? Trump's just another dickhead politican who will come and go and the system will remain. Focusing on him is counterproductive asDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-87374277035864180512018-11-05T17:16:45.487+00:002018-11-05T17:16:45.487+00:00It’s not elitist to see ordinary people won’t be a...It’s not elitist to see ordinary people won’t be able to decipher this, and to think Douglas Murray promotes this guy as part of the solution to our current problems, a massive lapse in judgement on his usual sound reasoning in this area , not fatal yet though, his other work warrants further chances:<br /><br />https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mvKbVvnMe_wDaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-64266312328267588742018-11-04T15:21:40.685+00:002018-11-04T15:21:40.685+00:00No mention of the real driving force behind this h...No mention of the real driving force behind this hatred and that is Israel....Niallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-41223119931439148572018-11-03T22:08:29.927+00:002018-11-03T22:08:29.927+00:00DaithiD - apples for peace but he won't follow...DaithiD - apples for peace but he won't follow the example of Adam and bite one because he is a devout man.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-92091310550924163112018-11-03T21:58:09.330+00:002018-11-03T21:58:09.330+00:00Barry - good points.
I am not comfortable with th...Barry - good points.<br /><br />I am not comfortable with the term islamophobia since picking up on Brendan O'Neill's view that it is the pathologizing of dissent. I think a term other than phobia (which I associate with fear) could be more useful if it connotes hatred rather than fear. I also feel it is a wet towel used to suffocate alternative thinking. <br /><br />I once spoke with a AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-54234685404012558522018-11-03T21:48:41.412+00:002018-11-03T21:48:41.412+00:00The crucial distinction to be made made in this de...The crucial distinction to be made made in this debate is between "Islam" which is a religion based on texts, a deity and a philosophical/ethical world view. "Islamism" is a political ideology based on very particularistic and often very flawed interpretations of the Koran and the hadiths.<br /><br />I used to be wary of the term "Islamophobia" but now I am quite Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-41864543629549509732018-11-03T19:03:38.907+00:002018-11-03T19:03:38.907+00:00AM,
all logical points, I speak with no certainty...AM, <br />all logical points, I speak with no certainty on this aspect so I value the counter view you give. In terms of not even being allowed to speak on gardening, can you imagine Adams accidentally revealing his habits by digging a six foot deep hole and covering the base with lime when asked to plant some apple tree for the cameras?!?!?DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-22805034886329774812018-11-03T18:52:16.783+00:002018-11-03T18:52:16.783+00:00DaithiD - the same can be said about any debate. Y...DaithiD - the same can be said about any debate. Your argument is one that invites oligarchy - the plebs are beneath it all. Why bother having juries when judges can do it all? Forget the news - read long academic dissertations on any subject that concerns us. <br /><br />Such debates are not tweets. The arguments are distilled for debate. And if we don't get the essentials what is the point AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-42000566369610283982018-11-03T17:56:31.597+00:002018-11-03T17:56:31.597+00:00AM, but the time constraints necessarily imposed o...AM, but the time constraints necessarily imposed on debates will lead to an essentialising of the arguments when really we need to treat them as we would any other academic pursuit, ideally in a lecture theatre over the span of months. If we are to discuss the texts content and draw inferences thereon, two people butting heads infront of an uninformed crowd is far from that academic environment. DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-51450210610035951762018-11-03T17:26:59.697+00:002018-11-03T17:26:59.697+00:00DaithiD - there are plenty prepared to scream at a...DaithiD - there are plenty prepared to scream at any criticism of Islam.<br /><br />People should read the texts but there whole schools of Biblical/Torahic/Koranic interpretations of text that offer context/analysis - the text is best read against as many interpretations of it as possible. <br /><br />That is a poor excuse for no debate - Conor Cruise O'Brien used to make a similar argument AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-61694359860150292652018-11-03T16:35:18.733+00:002018-11-03T16:35:18.733+00:00AM, I guess I meant islamophile as shorthand for t...AM, I guess I meant islamophile as shorthand for those who would attack those making a criticism of Islam, and there are lots, perhaps the majority in our Western institutions now, and obviously this includes many who not Muslim, like the progressives for example.<br /><br />I would suggest people read the texts themselves, instead of listening to others view on them. They are a click away for DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-45661971202471219202018-11-03T16:19:09.004+00:002018-11-03T16:19:09.004+00:00DaithiD - but how many people are Islamophiles?
...DaithiD - but how many people are Islamophiles? <br /><br />Lot of good stuff in the above piece. <br /><br />Christophiles don't take too well to criticism either. <br /><br />This guy seriously challenges one of your core contentions - that the texts are to blame. I would be interested in reading the book. <br /><br />I think we would benefit from a debate between him and Douglas Murray.<brAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26924484352350963922018-11-03T15:46:34.805+00:002018-11-03T15:46:34.805+00:00A very simple question I ask of anyone who uses th...A very simple question I ask of anyone who uses the Islamophobia smear : can you give an example of a criticism made of Islam that didn’t warrant this label? <br /><br />You will eventually realise it’s not Trump, the Christian Right or whoever’s specific argument or motivation that concerns Islamophiles, they simply object to any criticism. <br /><br />As long as we are up front about this and DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.com