tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post6311110029538223449..comments2024-03-29T15:14:51.289+00:00Comments on TPQ: A Declaration Of Independence AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-20476171654497559042016-01-26T20:59:47.981+00:002016-01-26T20:59:47.981+00:00You are caught in the headlights and trying to run...You are caught in the headlights and trying to run for cover Sean, you quite clearly implied that I was accusing Mr Kelton of being a reactionary or fascist.<br /><br />".....for the crime committed in Omagh BY THE BRITISH STATE....."<br /><br />If that is not a blatant attempt to absolve others from any responsibility for the Omagh Bomb, I've no idea what is. Exactly the same Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26672972393194030902016-01-26T08:19:11.623+00:002016-01-26T08:19:11.623+00:00Here we go again. I asked you how we call what goe...Here we go again. I asked you how we call what goes on here 'democracy' - as you were attempting - when it required the deceitful happenings in Omagh to keep it functioning. You denied that account and veered towards suggestions it was reactionary and fascist. Thus I gave an account from one of the widows and asked you to dismiss his words using the same tactics. So I never at any point Sean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-13481539185856074402016-01-25T23:14:51.005+00:002016-01-25T23:14:51.005+00:00And on that thread Sean stated
""I wil...And on that thread Sean stated<br /><br /> ""I will let the words of Kevin Skelton speak for the crime committed in Omagh BY THE BRITISH STATE and will let you explain how he is a reactionary and a fascist, that will certainly be a lot harder to do given he was widowed by that bombing. He knows the truth. I know the truth. There are countless people in this town who KNOW THE TRUTH. We Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-15294035463896849962016-01-25T20:55:05.059+00:002016-01-25T20:55:05.059+00:00Steve R
As I said on the other thread:
"Sea...Steve R<br /><br />As I said on the other thread:<br /><br />"Sean has not been, as you repeatedly suggest, trying to shift the blame from the RIRA. My previous response to you remains pertinent to your repeated attempts to deflect responisbility from acts of state terrorism:<br />"You seem intent on keeping the focus narrowed on the RIRA in order to shift the blame of those who Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-7612828702203654562016-01-25T08:47:40.154+00:002016-01-25T08:47:40.154+00:00Steve the democrat would willingly whitewash Omagh...Steve the democrat would willingly whitewash Omagh and prefer to ignore what actually happened, all to uphold his 'plucky little Ulster' as though it were actually actually a legitimate entity. That it took the like of Omagh to preserve his 'democracy' shows where it's really at but hey, I can't say that when in doing so I'm supposedly personally targeting you, isn'Sean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17385843686250455762016-01-24T21:17:02.852+00:002016-01-24T21:17:02.852+00:00Christy Walsh
"I agree with AM that the site...Christy Walsh<br /><br />"I agree with AM that the site could benefit from more unionist/loyalist voices. I also agree with Sean because in fairness you have repeatedly misstated what he actually said about the Omagh Bombing and then made yourself scarce once you were in the spotlight."<br /><br />I am sorry, I am unaware of what you are talking about? What did I mistake about what SeanSteve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-29741233978858108732016-01-23T10:14:29.903+00:002016-01-23T10:14:29.903+00:00Gerard
I agree with AM -that was a really good re...Gerard<br /><br />I agree with AM -that was a really good response and should be the starting point for another thread -and maybe Pauline will engage like she maybe felt she could not here.Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-18734298654848852892016-01-23T09:09:13.303+00:002016-01-23T09:09:13.303+00:00Gerard,
much too good a contribution for a commen...Gerard,<br /><br />much too good a contribution for a comment. Stuff like this should be articles in their own right. I think it would have made a great response to Pauline and she would have found it invigorating because it is a thought out critique and not a "how dare you" rant. This is the type of discussion that Pauline's piece should have been met with from the outset (not justAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26026092496648060852016-01-23T03:21:41.417+00:002016-01-23T03:21:41.417+00:00Chris I'm going to go out on a limb here.
A f...Chris I'm going to go out on a limb here. <br />A few years back,<br />Kevin Bean from the university of <br />Liverpool gave a talk here on republicanism. It was down in lower Donegal St in the arts place. It hadn't been advertised well and not many were there, although Mariin Price was there among a few others. The only thing I recall from it was his line about building a new Gerard.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03755318383331114316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-15640717177156323592016-01-22T22:00:39.233+00:002016-01-22T22:00:39.233+00:00Sean
Your concerns about revisiting old failures...Sean<br /> <br />Your concerns about revisiting old failures is not without merit but the idea that people should continue to stick with the current failure is not reasonable argument for why they should do that. I am sure some of your arguments might have been made as to why republicans should not enter the Dail almost 100 years ago -did that improve the life quality of the generations of thoseChristy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-89869258219149181372016-01-22T21:16:59.797+00:002016-01-22T21:16:59.797+00:00Sean,
I don't actually advocate going into St...Sean,<br /><br />I don't actually advocate going into Stormont. I am pretty much indifferent to it. I just have no problem in principle about those who want to go in without being sucked in. It seems that anti-Stormont republicanism has achieved nothing and shows no potential to otherwise. People are therefore going to opt for reformism. Stormont will have no effect on partition one way or AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-37233903481453499372016-01-22T20:48:31.988+00:002016-01-22T20:48:31.988+00:00Maybe those of my viewpoint have no place in this ...Maybe those of my viewpoint have no place in this debate, as we are not ourselves involved in elections, but it has wider ramifications for republicanism in general and so is of concern to us all. Should Independents start getting elected to Stormont, encouraging the belief in the community their interests can be effectively represented there, thus bolstering the perceived legitimacy of the Sean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74300140587440813752016-01-22T20:48:17.596+00:002016-01-22T20:48:17.596+00:00Thanks for your response Mackers and of course you...Thanks for your response Mackers and of course you have the right to advocate going into Stormont, given that's your long-held belief on the matter. I wasn't aware of that though. My thinking on this is not as black and white as adhering to the dictums of republican theology but relates instead to the strategic outcomes that will result in the present environment. From where I sit, the Sean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-10738235433567665362016-01-22T19:48:55.455+00:002016-01-22T19:48:55.455+00:00The discussion between Gerry and Christy manages t...The discussion between Gerry and Christy manages to be informative without being snide and sneering. It brings the original article to the point where it should be at: a discussion of where things are or might go. We have a chance of learning something from this in a way that there is no chance when it is reduced to the pantomime of 'oh yes you did ... oh no I didn't." AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-75890319589895603462016-01-22T19:02:40.442+00:002016-01-22T19:02:40.442+00:00Gerard
You underscore my point that people in var...Gerard<br /><br />You underscore my point that people in various districts want better and neither Sean's concept of maintaining a failed strategy versus a failed Stormont is working for anyone. I am well aware that many nationalist areas turn out very feisty and capable people which is why I think they would be more effective exposing and confronting the comfortable and privileged up in Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-79106416092672617502016-01-22T18:10:17.679+00:002016-01-22T18:10:17.679+00:00Sean,
point taken about the fence but don't w...Sean,<br /><br />point taken about the fence but don't worry as I laughed at it rather than got annoyed over it. <br /><br />Henry Joy/Peter/Steve whoever else have their own views and they vary amongst themselves. But to suggest they are an organized lobby or faction is stretching things too far.<br /><br />I feel under no obligation to enter every fray that occurs on this website. I merely AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-30784668770099781922016-01-22T16:26:13.417+00:002016-01-22T16:26:13.417+00:00Chris thanks again
I don't know anything abo...Chris thanks again <br /><br />I don't know anything about Eirigi, I only went to the one event because of the topic of debate and who,was speaking.<br /><br />About worthy candidates getting a look in and others chipping in. That's not what I understand the situation to be. I've seen many worthy candidates in the north and beyond fall due to their treatment from the press about theirGerard.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03755318383331114316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-61410034468318973032016-01-22T14:47:11.134+00:002016-01-22T14:47:11.134+00:00We could all learn to listen more and shout less ...We could all learn to <a href="http://www.npr.org/2015/06/05/411697565/what-happens-when-people-are-given-a-voice" rel="nofollow"> listen more and shout less </a>.<br /><br />(Sean there are several ways to highlight human rights & prison issues. They are not always necessarily in the public light. I make my efforts in my own private way. Amongst those efforts I have been highlighting Gavin&#Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74215771013528629622016-01-22T14:26:34.333+00:002016-01-22T14:26:34.333+00:00Anthony a chara, obviously I'm not saying you ...Anthony a chara, obviously I'm not saying you sat on the fence, it couldn't be clearer you done anything but. Indeed, as far as I'm concerned, yourself and Carrie, Tommy Mc, Brendan, Tommy Gorman and others, showed the way forward. I did not agree with the Belfast Agreement and voted against it but there was a shortage of options for people as myself, who agreed with the idea of a newSean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-20593703264381906552016-01-22T13:22:11.576+00:002016-01-22T13:22:11.576+00:00Sean.
100 minus 4 leaves us with 96 voices not un...Sean.<br /><br />100 minus 4 leaves us with 96 voices not unionist. It is as simple as it gets. <br /><br />Sitting on the fence LOL.<br /><br />It was a pretty isolated old fence that gave me plenty of splinters in the jaxy with very few sitting beside me, opting instead for their comfy old chair. Apart from you and a few others how many called even to stand at the fence?<br /><br />You have AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-75949470348695784862016-01-22T11:17:17.586+00:002016-01-22T11:17:17.586+00:00What kind of 'open society', as peddled he...What kind of 'open society', as peddled here by 'Henry Joy', gaols the like of Gerry McGeough and Scotchy Kearney, while the Bloody Sunday killers walk free? What kind of 'open society' are we talking about here when Alex McCrory and others are interned without trial in the 21st century under Stormont rule? What kind of 'open society' locks a man like Gavin Coyle Sean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-57670143045682688642016-01-22T11:02:10.528+00:002016-01-22T11:02:10.528+00:00Anthony, surely you must realise what it is I'...Anthony, surely you must realise what it is I'm referring to and if not, well, I don't really know what to say on the matter further. There is though, at least as far as I can see, a vested clique operating here, fully determined to exclude any narrative that does not bow to the legitimacy of the Goood Friday Agreement. So it's hard to discuss the matters concerned on your blog while Sean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-20334033531775114452016-01-22T10:58:06.953+00:002016-01-22T10:58:06.953+00:00Steve R
I agree with AM that the site could benef...Steve R<br /><br />I agree with AM that the site could benefit from more unionist/loyalist voices. I also agree with Sean because in fairness you have repeatedly misstated what he actually said about the Omagh Bombing and then made yourself scarce once you were in the spotlight.<br /><br /><br /><br />Gerard<br /><br />You make good points. And no doubt penniless dissidents do invaluable work Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-29855808283762235672016-01-22T10:55:14.452+00:002016-01-22T10:55:14.452+00:00This thread has highlighted the factionalism and i...This thread has highlighted the factionalism and internecine squabbling that infects republicanism. It makes this unionist glad that you failed to get your 32 county socialist utopia, because as sure as eggs is eggs it would have ended up as the Irish Civil War part 2. If you lot can't agree on anything and resort to calling each other touts all the time how could you run a country?<br /><br Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35134384912354095782016-01-22T10:36:49.032+00:002016-01-22T10:36:49.032+00:00The rigidity of a 'fixed mindset' will gen...The rigidity of a 'fixed mindset' will generally react defensively, oft-times with anger, to the proposals of those more inclined to that of a 'growth mindset'.<br /><br />Despite the inherent limitations of representative democracy that AM alludes to, those who are of a 'growth mindset' will see some (albeit very limited) potential for their community in engaging with Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.com