tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post5990957662821073951..comments2024-03-28T17:44:07.653+00:00Comments on TPQ: The Case For Socialist Feminism AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-62902761838696064332015-10-10T13:14:27.263+01:002015-10-10T13:14:27.263+01:00DaithiD, yet as Maryam Namazie points out in the p...DaithiD, yet as Maryam Namazie points out in the piece currently leading the blog - freedom is for the dissenter. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-83475049302155246792015-10-10T10:45:43.577+01:002015-10-10T10:45:43.577+01:00HJ,they may be an alternative to carrier bags now ...HJ,they may be an alternative to carrier bags now supermarkets in the UK have started charging for them,indicating a buy. Never bought them myself mind,my swivel eyed rants were enough to ensure I impregnated nobody.<br /><br />AM, its also one of those subjects that it does us no favours socially to go against the trend.DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74225398250199978582015-10-10T04:06:39.954+01:002015-10-10T04:06:39.954+01:00Henry JoY,
size doesn't matter - We are not D...Henry JoY,<br /><br />size doesn't matter - We are not Dickist !!<br /><br />DaithiD,<br /><br />it came to me as I wrote it. As I said to Henry JoY, the issue was not something I thought about until you brought it up. This is one of the values of writing and commenting on the blog. We don't always come to the keyboard with what we think, but while at it find out what we do think. I have AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-90505582127328242762015-10-10T00:13:11.405+01:002015-10-10T00:13:11.405+01:00Daithi
Should we go long or short on Durex stock ...Daithi<br /><br />Should we go long or short on Durex stock then so?Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3068933894777861212015-10-09T21:32:12.799+01:002015-10-09T21:32:12.799+01:00AM, this articulates in a way I wish I had :
...T...AM, this articulates in a way I wish I had :<br /><br /><i>...To allow a woman to compel a man into fatherhood but deny the man the right to compel the woman into motherhood seems an act of disempowerment, is anything but equality and strikes me as very unjust. ...</i><br /><br />Its devastatingly succinct, and I dearly wish to have seen the reaction at the talk had this been raised.DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-36003289803561457952015-10-09T19:03:15.247+01:002015-10-09T19:03:15.247+01:00Henry JoY,
I think we are talking not about the ...Henry JoY, <br /><br />I think we are talking not about the availability of the morning after pill but about what to do when a woman decides to have a child regardless of the availability of options which would permit the termination of pregnancy and in contravention of the expressed wish of the partner. <br /><br />It might not float in a world that does not view the extension of the same rightsAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-85401356177926153592015-10-09T17:17:40.710+01:002015-10-09T17:17:40.710+01:00AM
I agree paternity issues could be best explore...AM<br /><br />I agree paternity issues could be best explored and addressed in the wider context of responsible family planning and global population growth. Maybe a day is foreseeable, where females who have ready and free access to 'the morning after pill' and all other contraceptive options, could reasonably be challenged on paternity maintenance.<br /><br />That boat might float if Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16200445438351329292015-10-09T14:30:10.894+01:002015-10-09T14:30:10.894+01:00Henry JoY,
the paternities issue is much wider in...Henry JoY,<br /><br />the paternities issue is much wider in society than the space this type of scenario takes up. The decision making process that caused a child to come into the world rather than the biological act of screwing per se is where I would start looking. A man cannot compel a woman to become a mother against her choice. That to me should be a human right. The equal human right that AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26956324151347194972015-10-09T10:25:11.933+01:002015-10-09T10:25:11.933+01:00AM
commenter's licence acknowledged.
Whereas...AM<br /><br />commenter's licence acknowledged.<br /><br />Whereas I can get the gist of the principle you articulate, and don't as such strongly disagree with yours or Dáithí's overall position on this, I can't get my head around much potential for successful and functional application when it comes to paternity responsibilities. It seems to me that though perhaps ideologically Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-73705588465921297682015-10-08T18:13:11.272+01:002015-10-08T18:13:11.272+01:00Henry Joy,
yes "entire" if taken to me...Henry Joy, <br /><br />yes "entire" if taken to mean the totality of life would indeed be inflated. Not what I meant despite the validity of your observation, pedantic or not. At the expense of sounding pedantic I would clarify it as effecting his entire life but not the entirety of his life. Much in the same way as my republican history has affected my entire life but not the entirety AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-88537005025747593272015-10-08T16:38:49.917+01:002015-10-08T16:38:49.917+01:00AM
you presented your argument in such absolute a...AM<br /><br />you presented your argument in such absolute and catastrophic tones ... 'a decision that affects another adult's <i><b>entire</b></i> future ... <i> depriving him of financial autonomy ... when he was denied <b>all</b> powers of decision making.'</i> <br /><br />Articulated as such a pervasive catastrophe it seemed tongue in cheek to me.<br /><br />Sure, such events do Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-30082457389055163092015-10-08T15:45:32.690+01:002015-10-08T15:45:32.690+01:00Henry, Ive said it pretty clear a few times, witho...Henry, Ive said it pretty clear a few times, without wishing to repeat myself. You guys have the abortion debate sown up, a womans body is her own blah blah blah. Ok. Im interested in the equality aspect, and seeing it through to its natural conclusion ,that is : the female is sovereign throughout both sequences.Not just the one that benefits her most.If the male has no input in the post coital DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-50415054660592433672015-10-08T14:39:20.901+01:002015-10-08T14:39:20.901+01:00Nothing tongue in cheek about itNothing tongue in cheek about itAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-52672985034674091672015-10-08T14:26:05.698+01:002015-10-08T14:26:05.698+01:00Maybe I still misunderstand you Dáithí but your pr...Maybe I still misunderstand you Dáithí but your proposed scheme seems for the largest part to maintain the status quo whereby the cost of most cases of irresponsible fatherhood is socialised. <br /><br />It appears to me that you wish to legitimise the placing of all the responsibility for procreation on the female and legitimise the irresponsibility of males.<br />The 'de facto' Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-91833189486088316202015-10-08T11:49:10.051+01:002015-10-08T11:49:10.051+01:00AM, we agree, must be a first!
If I could leglisla...AM, we agree, must be a first!<br />If I could leglislate on this, I would propose in broad terms,that a woman pregnant by a man (perhaps unless already legally/civically together) get some consent form to agree if she has the baby, he is willing to pay maintenance until the child becomes adult.If this is not agreed beforehand, then no monies are due. The woman retains the rights to abortion withDaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-36559437469277926142015-10-08T11:11:14.702+01:002015-10-08T11:11:14.702+01:00DaithiD,
it seems more a case of special privileg...DaithiD,<br /><br />it seems more a case of special privilege when rights over another person's body is demanded. As they say if men could get pregnant abortion would be a sacrament. I imagine equality means equal rights over one's own body and having the personal autonomy to exercise that right. <br /><br />I do think you have a point that a woman should not be allowed to make a decisionAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-43136990374405156152015-10-08T10:52:18.588+01:002015-10-08T10:52:18.588+01:00....Which is not my point at all HJ. Im pointing t.......Which is not my point at all HJ. Im pointing to the glaring contradiction that says a man is a factor in one course of events, but not the other.If its the females body, then the man should have no obligations. <br />As with most items on the equality agenda these days, its more to do with special privileges open to the select few.Denying them privileges is now supremacist.DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-88829826678751336802015-10-08T07:37:03.260+01:002015-10-08T07:37:03.260+01:00Daithi
If the female is to have autonomy over her...Daithi<br /><br />If the female is to have autonomy over her own body then males have to drop their supremacist attempts at enforced retention of the foetus.Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-87349551037119203702015-10-07T22:25:40.216+01:002015-10-07T22:25:40.216+01:00... the lack of reproductive rights...
Really? Ho...<i>... the lack of reproductive rights...</i><br /><br />Really? How about if a man wants his ex-partner to abort their unborn child and she doesnt, it has no bearing and he has to pay maintenence costs until the child is 18. Yet if the man wants to abort the same child but the woman doesnt, again,he has no input in decision, and the baby is for the blender. Does this represent equality?DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.com