tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post4959519259806945640..comments2024-03-28T13:35:30.500+00:00Comments on TPQ: The AccusedAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-55903365275792432422018-07-12T16:10:08.348+01:002018-07-12T16:10:08.348+01:00met big liv and had a great day watching the scott...met big liv and had a great day watching the scottish cup final and celtic winning a double treble.... hail hail big livAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01093789497700940146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-80469675129834346232013-07-04T13:56:07.345+01:002013-07-04T13:56:07.345+01:00Niall,
laughed at that. He was something else for...Niall,<br /><br />laughed at that. He was something else for sure. But you are wrong about his belly. Not a pick on the man!AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-72072440694827102092013-07-04T13:12:20.302+01:002013-07-04T13:12:20.302+01:00“The judiciary was as cavalier about law and right...“The judiciary was as cavalier about law and rights as Anglo Irish bankers were about the economy.”<br />And still are with recent court cases of PSNI/RUC member Carroll and Masserene….the evidence supplied to convict is tenuous to say the least. The judiciary, inclusive of McGrory and his cronies, including the PSNI Officers who carried out the investigations, should all be themselves Niallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3196878813153893262013-06-30T22:01:51.806+01:002013-06-30T22:01:51.806+01:00Eddie,
if it was the whole thrust of politics th...Eddie, <br /><br />if it was the whole thrust of politics things would not be so poor from a republican perspective. It is certainly an element in it. <br /><br /><br />People are always free to interpret something as they wish and we can't control that.I don't feel we should look over our shoulder when we write just to check for who might interpet or misinterpret it. <br /><br />Young AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-83017008752464647892013-06-29T21:37:35.197+01:002013-06-29T21:37:35.197+01:00Mackers
i think you would agree that the whole thr...Mackers<br />i think you would agree that the whole thrust of what passes for politics in this place at the minute is to apportion blame for the conflict. I am of the opinion your use of the word wrong and as in wrong approach could be open to misintepretation and would assist those who would like to degenerate the 16, 17, and 18 year olds from the Bogside, Falls and Armagh who prosecuted the wareddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025554963518660658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-31790453876090257462013-06-29T21:00:01.134+01:002013-06-29T21:00:01.134+01:00Eddie,
at levels of the campaign there had to be ...Eddie,<br /><br />at levels of the campaign there had to be recklessness. If people can abandon with such ease the ideological, ethical and strategic framework within which they they operated and by extension killed, then recklessness might just be, as you seem to allow for, the best thing that can be said about them.<br /><br />Even where wars are wrong those that fight them are not all AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-68161041856801752742013-06-29T20:44:51.512+01:002013-06-29T20:44:51.512+01:00Mackers
to countenence now that the wrong approach...Mackers<br />to countenence now that the wrong approach was applied (and where thousands died as a result) is to infer that there was a degree of recklessness applied (to say the least) - I predict that SF will adopt the 'recklessness' theory in the future as Widgery tried to do in the aftermath of Bloody Sunday. Of course we both know BLoody Sunday was murdereddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025554963518660658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-39797586450317394902013-06-29T19:21:37.051+01:002013-06-29T19:21:37.051+01:00Eddie,
I don't think your comment allowed p...Eddie, <br /><br /><br />I don't think your comment allowed people to infer that you argued for targeting anybody. <br /><br />Because someone might know they are targeted does not mean they deserve being targeted nor does it confer legitimacy on the targeting. <br /><br />I think there is a serious difference between what I have said and what Adams has argued. (or at least I believe there isAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-59043532700376584682013-06-29T18:31:00.586+01:002013-06-29T18:31:00.586+01:00Just in case there is any doubt I state here categ...Just in case there is any doubt I state here categorically that I myself wont be targeting anyone and I dont think anyone should be targeted.<br /><br />That said I thought I might be able to reason why some people were targeted and to the point were them same people were likely to know that were targets and why they were targeted. I think those people for whatever reason, money, political eddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025554963518660658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-52585037118070997192013-06-29T14:24:37.766+01:002013-06-29T14:24:37.766+01:00Eddie,
some could properly argue that the postma...<br /><br />Eddie, <br /><br />some could properly argue that the postman who delivers mail to the courts is a small cog without whom the system would not function. The line of demarcation is never fixed and is always subject to change.<br /><br />A vital part of the system of British administration in the North today is the SF functionaries who help to administer it. Should they not be targets AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-31885619313774291752013-06-29T12:32:57.491+01:002013-06-29T12:32:57.491+01:00Some could properly argue that Magistrates like To...Some could properly argue that Magistrates like Tom Travers were a small but essential cog in the Castlereagh/Diplock conveyor belt justice system. Magistrates were keen to remand people in custody or commit them to Trial on the flimsiest of evidence and sometimes were happy to do so even when it was obvious that the people appearing before them had suffered abuse.eddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025554963518660658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-60335821226070512052013-06-28T12:06:03.516+01:002013-06-28T12:06:03.516+01:00Mackers.
'Even at that, Tom Travers did not g...Mackers.<br /><br />'Even at that, Tom Travers did not get a cruel death but was compelled to endure a cruel life because of the loss that was inflicted on him. I don't believe there was any justification for what happened to him'. <br /><br />Had it been by design it could almost be labelled a loyalist M.O. ie. leave the real 'target' in grief with a family member dead.larry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26666072651380950352013-06-28T11:55:31.021+01:002013-06-28T11:55:31.021+01:00Nuala,
in what case? There are now three being d...Nuala, <br /><br />in what case? There are now three being discussed here. <br />AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-44514960620483766982013-06-28T11:51:13.798+01:002013-06-28T11:51:13.798+01:00There was speciation that one of those involved wa...There was speciation that one of those involved was an informer. Was the brutality involved N attempt to discredit the IRA?Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-25408252181767108662013-06-28T11:03:26.579+01:002013-06-28T11:03:26.579+01:00Nuala,
I think you have lost me hereNuala,<br /><br />I think you have lost me hereAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-54987327120790066852013-06-28T10:27:33.604+01:002013-06-28T10:27:33.604+01:00Mackers,
I think recent revelations about one of t...Mackers,<br />I think recent revelations about one of the accused gives a better insight into how it became an atrocity.<br />I would say the brutality was more to discredit .Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3408023759449277132013-06-28T08:32:13.381+01:002013-06-28T08:32:13.381+01:00BKeane,
it was not that you condemned her, you fo...BKeane,<br /><br />it was not that you condemned her, you focussed on the way the media ran with her case. It was a point I was making about her stance.<br /><br />What was most striking about your comment was the call for a cruel death. It had a touch of the barbaric to it. I imagine in war that where we have to we should do what is necessary and no more. <br /><br />Even at that, Tom Travers AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69469088847364438542013-06-27T22:49:51.737+01:002013-06-27T22:49:51.737+01:00it sounds like the naked man boasting about his Sa...it sounds like the naked man boasting about his Saville Row suit<br />AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-22034630109102591732013-06-27T22:42:17.104+01:002013-06-27T22:42:17.104+01:00Real IRA warns sleeper cells have plans to attack ...<a href="http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Real-IRA-warns-sleeper-cells-have-plans-to-attack-major-cities-in-England-213286391.html" rel="nofollow">Real IRA warns sleeper cells have plans to attack major cities in England</a><br /><br /><br />itsjustmackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14443285690765886118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-49469904846299151352013-06-27T14:21:55.159+01:002013-06-27T14:21:55.159+01:00Itsjustmacker,
it was more simple than that. What...Itsjustmacker,<br /><br />it was more simple than that. What they call plausible deniability - make sure the individual takes the hit so that the institution avoids taking it. <br /><br />These people have been smearing since they managed to get control of an office or a department. <br /><br />Recently, we saw on Prime Time how Percy Pompous smeared Dolours and Brendan - calling them liars. Him AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-58960170795009101872013-06-27T14:03:57.531+01:002013-06-27T14:03:57.531+01:00Anthony:
"But what we can be certain of is t...Anthony:<br /><br /><i>"But what we can be certain of is this. There was a smear campaign and its purpose was to hang someone out to dry."</i><br /><br />It wouldn't be the first time the finger was pointed at someone else to save someone of a higher rank, Maybe that has happened in Pats case. Just a thought and not an accusation, but , I can't seem to put my finger on any otheritsjustmackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14443285690765886118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17000989066879995152013-06-27T12:09:29.473+01:002013-06-27T12:09:29.473+01:00Nuala,
I have made no reference to innocence or g...Nuala,<br /><br />I have made no reference to innocence or guilt on the part of the individual. I have restricted myself to commenting on how the verdict was reached and the fact that a man was hung out to dry for what was an IRA operation. I know you don't believe it was an IRA operation and that leads you to reach different conclusions. <br /><br />I suppose there are echoes of the AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3395741527764259352013-06-27T12:00:39.584+01:002013-06-27T12:00:39.584+01:00Mackers
This seriously raises more questions than ...Mackers<br />This seriously raises more questions than it answers. If this happened if the IRA via it's press office caused a witch hunt and the smearing of an innocent man it is appalling beyond belief.<br />I just don't understand why on this particular incident they would have felt the need to do this? <br />Until I read it on TPQ last year I had never ever heard that smear theory. Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-22616048835181245472013-06-27T11:38:51.738+01:002013-06-27T11:38:51.738+01:00Nuala,
the IRA denying responsibility for an oper...Nuala,<br /><br />the IRA denying responsibility for an operation it carried out does not mean it was not responsible. It denied Joe O'Connor and Joanne Mathers for example. Examples are legion. <br /><br />If memory serves me right, the same year as this incident it denied the Bayardo Bar attack. That is the incident which led to Bik and two others being convicted. Although it had claimed AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16345752267706773772013-06-27T09:00:30.585+01:002013-06-27T09:00:30.585+01:00Mackers
I know we covered it before but according ...Mackers<br />I know we covered it before but according to the IRA it was not an IRA action .<br />Who could blame them from distancing themselves it was absolutely abhorrent.<br />But that's not what I asked. Why would they smear this particular individual. Who gained by it?Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.com