Comments on The Pensive Quill: The End of the Adams Era

Can't help wonder after the deluge of accusati...

2010-01-18T15:59:33.239Z

Can't help wonder after the deluge of accusations has finally begun to burst the dam will the attention seekers also see their moment and jump on the bandwagon...those little cheerleaders who couldn't get enoug Provo C$%"ck and caused all sorts of mayhem. The real fun may only be starting.
Truely sad to see Martin Meehan in the Irish News today. He was an approachable honest man

Sunningdale wasnt acceptable to Unionists in 74 or...

2010-01-18T15:21:54.768Z

Sunningdale wasnt acceptable to Unionists in 74 or to SF and the Unionists more recently didn't enter a Suningdale mk2 with Republicans they entered it with Adams' wee gang who had stolen the SDLP's clothes.

Poor Tommy. Blinded not by the light, but Gerry...

2010-01-18T10:37:20.483Z

Poor Tommy. Blinded not by the light, but Gerry's beard. If Tommy is allegedly an 'astute critic of both the achievements and the failures of Gerry Adams' (Vincent D) then god help us all.

Adams was elected ( I use the term loosely) Presid...

2010-01-15T20:07:24.015Z

Adams was elected ( I use the term loosely) President in 1986 - 25 years ago - he was popular, bringing the level of struggle to a new level(we believed) However, he is still the Presidenr- where is the democratic process of change? - even George Bush had to give up after two terms. Adams should have resigned decades ago (in a democratic system). Can we finally learn something here or are we so

First off Tommy is a gentlemen and I think he is b...

2010-01-15T00:11:09.128Z

First off Tommy is a gentlemen and I think he is being magnanimous in view of a mortally wounded Adams. But lets be clear. Adams was the political engineer of a pseudo-revolutionary strategy and he played a pivotal role in bringing about the ideological defeat of his own party. What used to be, for many of us, our party.

What's important here in assessing the Adams' legacy is

I have always believed that people followed the Pr...

2010-01-14T21:15:32.187Z

I have always believed that people followed the Provo’s because they were republican minded and sought to Unite Ireland. It must be remembered that the Provo’s had no truck with Civil rights marches or views other than to use them as a way of getting the British troops into a confrontation. As I have always believed that the minute power was waved in front of the leadership republicanism was

Interested You pose the question and perhaps you ...

2010-01-14T18:46:27.269Z

Interested

You pose the question and perhaps you can have a go at answering it.

Why do people not give their support to the Real IRA in 2009/10 as the people gave their support to the Provos throughout the 70s and 80s?

And we're not talking about a minor difference - we are talking about an entire community as opposed to a very small group.

As for

aye it has transpired that Gandi Hume would have h...

2010-01-13T22:38:35.654Z

aye it has transpired that Gandi Hume would have had us all interned sounds familiar armoured cars and tanks and gun etc..

we were out of the house most of this afternoon, t...

2010-01-13T21:25:49.086Z

we were out of the house most of this afternoon, the cops found a suspicious device in a car down the street, it was later confirmed as a tax disc

Mick Hall I completely understand what happened, ...

2010-01-13T21:17:39.965Z

Mick Hall
I completely understand what happened, I know very well the hatred and bigotry that we as nationalists had to contend with under unionist domination, but my point being that when John Hume was trying to lead by peaceful means the Provo’s revolted against him and his party the SDLP, 11 years later Sinn Fein acquired the assistance of the same John Hume to help them achieve “a

a fractious movement was forged into a formidable ...

2010-01-13T21:16:30.728Z

a fractious movement was forged into a formidable and disiplined political machine. Tommy,s words and taken up by Mick Hall. I suggest my friends that you take a look at who was one of the main organisers of this political machine none other than one Dennis (stand up) Donaldson and we all know who the bold Dennis worked for so you can imagine the type of party that Dennis and the other boyos

hi Anthony I have a cracking wee statuette of a w...

2010-01-13T20:49:36.849Z

hi Anthony I have a cracking wee statuette of a woman with a bin lid and I love it so Iaint got nothing against Bins esp if Mr laden is listening

Marty, the wee bin just means you are able to dele...

2010-01-13T20:35:48.510Z

Marty, the wee bin just means you are able to delete your own comment.

lol Mick sorry about mis-spelling your name earlie...

2010-01-13T20:24:31.589Z

lol Mick sorry about mis-spelling your name earlier your post reminds me of that native American chief in Josie Wales the outlaw, he said "dont piss down my back and tell me its raining"

"well Mike Gerry Adams wouldnt know the truth...

2010-01-13T18:44:23.277Z

"well Mike Gerry Adams wouldnt know the truth if it hit him up the bake as we say"

Marty,

You may well me right about Adams relationship with the truth, but that does not mean I have to go down that road as thankfully I am not a politician who has circles to square.

The Italian communist Palmiro Togliatti's words spring to mind where Adams is

ahem Athony may I ask what that wee bin thingy is ...

2010-01-13T14:33:44.999Z

ahem Athony may I ask what that wee bin thingy is that keeps appearing after any post I make ,are you trying to tell me something if you wannatalk about it we could go to the lockkeepers for a bit of orange tart

well Mike Gerry Adams wouldnt know the truth if i...

2010-01-13T14:18:33.757Z

well Mike Gerry Adams wouldnt know the truth if it hit him up the bake as we say,ask Arthur Morgan T.D if you can find him, I think Anthony coined the phrase "the good guys lost" very true Iremember thinking at an Ard Feis ,Wheh Gravestone Tom Hartley said that the only principl he had was the principle to win and I thought CUNT, I believe Sunningdale failed not because of loyalist

Interested, You comments about Sunningdale total...

2010-01-13T13:19:48.865Z

Interested,

You comments about Sunningdale totally ignore the reality on the ground in 1974 within the nationalist community; and even worse the sheer bigotry of unionism back then. if you really believe unionism would have entered a coalition with Irish republicans in 1974 you have little understanding of the nature of the beast. For christ sake with all the compromises SF has made

TP I find your argument that the “Unionists would...

2010-01-13T11:30:06.162Z

TP
I find your argument that the “Unionists would not have signed up to the Sunning dale Agreement” hard to comprehend. They did sign up it was the Provo’s who wouldn’t. As there was no Sinn Fein of any note then it was up to the Provo leadership to take their people onto the political stage. This didn’t happen instead we had years of misery for our people by the “great Provo leadership. To

While the ending of widespread armed conflict is a...

2010-01-13T01:57:22.641Z

While the ending of widespread armed conflict is a credit to Adams, his political outlook and legacy is questionable. I agree that Sinn Fein are the voice of nationalism and command the support of the nationalist majority but is that the position a "Republican" would want to be in. The voice of nationalism a la Fianna Fail or even Gerry Fitt.
The real winners in all this long and

I also don't buy the Sunningdale argument beca...

2010-01-13T00:00:18.768Z

I also don't buy the Sunningdale argument because I don't think for a second that Unionists and Loyalists would have allowed that institution to work at that time - when they more or less had the power to do as they liked....TB

I've heard this reasoning countless times TB, yet despite having called a ceasefire in 1994 it took countless concessions from the Shinners,

Really good balanced article from a worthy and res...

2010-01-12T22:50:22.417Z

Really good balanced article from a worthy and respected contributor.

I do not see how any republican could honestly say that Gerry Adams throughout his teenage and most of his adult life did not make a major contribution to the positive developments for the Nationalist and Republican community in the North.

I also don't buy the Sunningdale argument because I don't

The 'achievements' of Gerry Adams could ha...

2010-01-12T21:41:06.645Z

The 'achievements' of Gerry Adams could have been brought about years, even decades ago through peaceful means. Gerry's legacy to Republicanism was to bring Armed Struggle to an end but how many brave men and women died while he and others worked behind their backs to do so?

Six Hunger Strikers died to set PSF down the electoral route. Adams told Kieran Doherty, his parents

I totaly agree with ewok,I think Adams and a few ...

2010-01-12T19:49:11.530Z

I totaly agree with ewok,I think Adams and a few others in s/f are not the foward and progressive leaders that they would want us all to believe they are, Adams without the knowledge of the party allowed himself to be courted by the likes of bring back interment Hume,Alex Reid (who does he really work for)and some other strange bedfellows,the outcome was not the new s/f Gandi but rather a

Gerry adams did more for british counter-insurgenc...

2010-01-12T19:01:18.160Z

Gerry adams did more for british counter-insurgency than kitson,or any other tool of the occupation, he is now, a tool of the british occupation,how long more will the republican grassroots put up with his crap,are we that silly that we think only one man can do the job, himself and gerry kelly now are trying to make informers an acceptable part of life,and now he thinks its ok to give shelter to