tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post2592192217698033485..comments2024-03-29T12:58:12.735+00:00Comments on TPQ: So, Was The IRA Defeated, Or Not?AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-85944113883971914812015-10-19T09:55:15.578+01:002015-10-19T09:55:15.578+01:00IRA: We HAVEN'T gone away and we're ready ...<a href="http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/ira-havent-gone-away-were-10253183" rel="nofollow"> IRA: We HAVEN'T gone away and we're ready to return to the trenches</a><br /><br />IRA footsoldiers could be forced to return to action if Sinn Fein fails to secure a safe future for them in the Stormont House Agreement, Belfast Live can reveal.<br /><br />Former paramilitary frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-66556712756764051622015-10-19T09:54:13.878+01:002015-10-19T09:54:13.878+01:00IRA has up to a ton of Semtex and more than 200 AK...<a href="http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/ira-up-ton-semtex-more-10285633" rel="nofollow"> IRA has up to a ton of Semtex and more than 200 AK47s hidden across Ireland, it is claimed</a><br /><br />Details emerge amid claims more than 200 former IRA members no longer getting amnesty deal...<br /><br />The IRA has up to one ton of high grade Semtex explosive stashed in hideouts acrossfrankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-91675609387622095372015-08-12T22:15:07.647+01:002015-08-12T22:15:07.647+01:00Cue Bono.
Absolute wrong.
The unionists are defeat...Cue Bono.<br />Absolute wrong.<br />The unionists are defeatist people.<br />Who cannot stand to be in the minority. this is the reason for partition<br />Just like the apartheid Boers of South Africa.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-25300737571921548542015-08-12T22:09:49.914+01:002015-08-12T22:09:49.914+01:00No Cue Bono, my predecessors paid them so much con...No Cue Bono, my predecessors paid them so much consideration it became a recipe for inertia with respect to the issue of partition.DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-37970153090583025892015-08-12T20:49:36.718+01:002015-08-12T20:49:36.718+01:00"With regards to the Unionists, I pay them li..."With regards to the Unionists, I pay them little thought"<br /><br />Neither did your predecessors and that played a huge part in the partition, and continued partition, of Ireland.Cue Bonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15951825726248815243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35371222876515044752015-08-08T15:17:04.355+01:002015-08-08T15:17:04.355+01:00..as someone used to being eaten...
And yet so mu...<i>..as someone used to being eaten...</i><br /><br />And yet <i>so</i> much of you remains... (Im a cheeky bastard i know)DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-37987798592515880412015-08-07T20:10:58.387+01:002015-08-07T20:10:58.387+01:00The first Nolan link is a "debate" betwe...The first Nolan link is a "debate" between former Cptn Doug Beaty and Danny Morrison. Doug's opening salvo had Morrison running for cover...Doug's opening salvo ...FF the link to 53seconds until 1min 28-ish...<br /><br />Who I thought was a great caller was "gabby" from Newry . FF 9min 34sec until 11mis 30secs... Then Danny Morrison argues for the "PUL frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-37313442982618624602015-08-07T11:26:43.793+01:002015-08-07T11:26:43.793+01:00DaithiD,
as someone used to being eaten, the fang...DaithiD,<br /><br />as someone used to being eaten, the fangs just don't have the same bite anymore. We can grow accustomed to quite a lot - it is the human condition. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-88385727299936521012015-08-07T10:52:03.902+01:002015-08-07T10:52:03.902+01:00Dáithí
There're so many ways I could respond ...Dáithí<br /><br />There're so many ways I could respond or attempt to bring this conversation ... as a mathematician you understand complexity and the impact of variables better than I do, so I'll attempt to be as succinct and focused as I possibly can.<br /><br />We hold different positions on all this ... indeed over the course of my life I have held varying positions on republican Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-9163705041632114622015-08-07T10:32:23.546+01:002015-08-07T10:32:23.546+01:00AM, its like hatching matriphagous spiderlings, as...AM, its like hatching matriphagous spiderlings, as our mother you have nurtured us thus far, but now we must eat you!DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-71110427288860387542015-08-07T10:01:14.545+01:002015-08-07T10:01:14.545+01:00DaithiD,
don't let your disagreement bother ...DaithiD, <br /><br />don't let your disagreement bother you in the slightest. Past experience/form is no guarantor of a correct current opinion. There are no gurus here and scepticism is a core value that we hopefully promote even if it might chaff when the scepticism is directed our way! Nobody likes a punch even if we are able to smile when taking one! But pugilistic or combative discussionAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-24043223663210962212015-08-07T09:58:22.263+01:002015-08-07T09:58:22.263+01:00Henry Joy
The faithful hate an apostate and you ge...Henry Joy<br />The faithful hate an apostate and you get your share of abuse and disrespect, yet you come back time and again to defend your position. Kudos to you, sir. Republicanism has been well and truely beaten. There will never be a 32 county socialist republic; there will never be a 32 county republic. If there is a UI, the wee 6 will be ruled from Stormont, the wee 6 will stay in the Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-73813807034695656352015-08-06T22:10:38.961+01:002015-08-06T22:10:38.961+01:00Thanks HJ,
the fact that I disagree with a man (AM...Thanks HJ,<br />the fact that I disagree with a man (AM *) who has been vindicated on every key observation with regards to Republicanism troubles me deeply, and for those partial to a bet, their money should be on him being correct rather than me. However, if we have learned anything from Anthony, its to not reduce analysis of an issue to a persons name <i> (not that he pulls rank on anyone DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-80562575335255470972015-08-06T20:32:17.542+01:002015-08-06T20:32:17.542+01:00Clever word play Dáithí.
Sean Bres could learn fro...Clever word play Dáithí.<br />Sean Bres could learn from your slippery ad hominems. ^_^<br /><br />I thought I'd expressed my position on partition quite explicitly. I even included AM quotes on it. Are you of the opinion his head is in the sand (or somewhere less savoury) on this too?<br /><br />And indeed the Unionists have had to move on partition also; they have had to, particularly so Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-15101367487907852412015-08-06T15:49:37.836+01:002015-08-06T15:49:37.836+01:00Irish Republicanism
The concept of Irish Republic...Irish Republicanism<br /><br />The concept of Irish Republicanism<br />Contains the objective of ‘peace’<br />And ‘justice’ at a national level.<br />In fact the flower of peace<br />Arises from the soil of justice.<br />For without justice peace is not real<br />And for Ireland authentic justice<br />Is the reality of the Irish people<br />Self- determining their own future.<br />Without liamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06838311768967686614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-15520999939093355082015-08-06T15:41:52.361+01:002015-08-06T15:41:52.361+01:00You are a wiley old sort HJ, implicit in everythin...You are a wiley old sort HJ, implicit in everything you say is the assumption that nothing more can be done to address partition, only our attitudes towards it, and that somehow this is progressive? Head progressively further in the sand perhaps (or somewhere less savoury!). Ill just say this, portable technology has only featured on one side so far. Its the genie the British are trying to keep DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-2446012509554769572015-08-06T13:24:17.981+01:002015-08-06T13:24:17.981+01:00'Diplocks'
I'll take a lead from that...'Diplocks'<br /><br />I'll take a lead from that piece I linked to above "Deathwish 16:The GPO".<br /><br />"<i>It's a farce inspired by Karl Marx's line about history repeating itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.</i>"<br /><br />We'd probably agree that what's going on in Stormont is a farce. Some might even say that some of our own Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-76824700680284201852015-08-06T10:37:18.403+01:002015-08-06T10:37:18.403+01:00Ozzy
That is where all the confusion lies; to wha...Ozzy<br /><br />That is where all the confusion lies; to what parameters is an IRA victory or defeat measured? And from whose perspective. Certainly as far back as the late 1970's Brit military analysts were advising the Brit Gov that the IRA could not be beaten militarily but could be fought to a stalemate. The IRA view was mixed in that they could force the Brits to leave or maintain theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-48476668330327791362015-08-06T09:51:53.959+01:002015-08-06T09:51:53.959+01:00Liam,
of course at one level you're right. T...Liam,<br /><br />of course at one level you're right. That is if one views events through a prism of immutable dogma. <br />Its somewhat similar to arguing from a Catholic perspective that artificial contraception is wrong or sinful ... dogmatically correct but irrelevant in the lived real world lives of the majority of followers. <br />That fundamentalist Irish Republican dogmatism you Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-61279002548226794682015-08-06T07:00:59.640+01:002015-08-06T07:00:59.640+01:00John Major said.." turn my stomach...." ...<i>John Major said.." turn my stomach...." Until a mortar bomb landed in his rose bushes.</i><br /><br />Again,your timeline is a little off. They already were sitting down the IRA in a safe house in Derry (MMG and Oatley) (in the same house that Heggarty met his minders funnily enough).For me, the only thing that is unclear, is why the British tried to shaft MMG and Adams over DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-28704283553778659872015-08-05T21:43:39.420+01:002015-08-05T21:43:39.420+01:00What balder dash!!!!!!!!
Ireland is still under Br...What balder dash!!!!!!!!<br />Ireland is still under British rule-in fact in a sense all of the island for the so called 'free state'could not organize a referendum if it so desired about unity across the 32 counties.The brits are the boss!<br />The so called provos were defeated by the invader because they allowed those like Adams and McGuinness to become a part of the Collins liamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06838311768967686614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-39867175632925413122015-08-05T20:25:33.666+01:002015-08-05T20:25:33.666+01:00Diplock and Daithi.
Some good points there from bo...Diplock and Daithi.<br />Some good points there from both of you. Re the freedom of speech.<br />The Thoicaigh Ar La case bears you out.<br />As for prisioners How were the volunteers of 1916 and 1921 treated by the Brits?????<br />Where they pardoned after 1916???<br />I don't know myself.<br /><br />I agree also with Diplocks views vis a vis the New IRA.<br />I would only agree to violenceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-2788521581838356072015-08-05T13:02:04.232+01:002015-08-05T13:02:04.232+01:00'Diplocks'
Thanks for your link to the cl...'Diplocks'<br /><br />Thanks for your link to the clip from the 'Life of Brian'.<br /><br />Irish Republicanism like Christianity and most other ism's are closed systems of thought. Even the most benign 'closed thought systems' are inherently stifling ... the more toxic ones potentially evil. <br />That's the challenge with debate on here, so many are contributing Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-15875824919349579352015-08-05T12:52:14.758+01:002015-08-05T12:52:14.758+01:00Peter
I was being rhetorical. If the '74 prop...Peter<br /><br />I was being rhetorical. If the '74 proposals were what was secured from the '94 ceasefire then the only difference is the CNR leadership (the implication is SF rejection in '74 was selfish motive to come out on top of the SDLP). Support for republicanism has always been around -FF did pretty well from it for generations. Sovereignty would probably still be the same Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-80029752175566516622015-08-05T11:42:34.760+01:002015-08-05T11:42:34.760+01:00Diplock courts
I'm not missing the point, I am...Diplock courts<br />I'm not missing the point, I am speaking hypothetically. There was no way the IRA were ever going to call off the campaign in '74 I am asking what would have happened if they had. Support for republicanism grew only after the peace process. Republican violence seems to have put off a UI by alienating the softer CNR community. So IF they had called it off in '74 Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.com