Tuesday, January 30, 2018

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Sinn Féin Silence On Barry McElduff Leaves Much To Be Desired

Sean Bresnahan argues that Barry McElduff was hard done by.

The elevation of Mary Lou McDonald to the Sinn Féin presidency reveals much here at a local level, for those who stayed as quiet as stones throughout the orchestrated effort to remove Barry McElduff have suddenly found their voices — and with them an ability to support their colleagues distinctly lacking of late. Today’s congratulatory rhetoric is jarring when set aside the silence of the past few weeks.

Where was this same support for Barry, who needed and deserved it more than anyone? Sadly it was nowhere to be found, with his eldest daughter left to lead his defence on her own. There is surely something shameful in that, with local Councillors Glenn Campbell and Stevie McCann the only ones man enough to publicly offer support. And fair play to them both, for it was the right and proper thing to do.

There is something awry, though, in regard to the actions — or lack of — of the rest of the party’s hierarchy here in Tyrone, made only the more striking given their newfound social media voices today. There is something deeply distasteful to it all because, for me, Republicanism has always meant ‘no man left behind’. That, of course, has long changed but it is what it is no matter.

Having known Barry from my earliest days with the Republican Movement, though now in disagreement over Republican strategy, how things turned out for him have been difficult to watch. I know in my heart there is no way on earth that the video he made was an attack on the Kingsmill families — and so too do his supposed colleagues, who sat stum until after the fact, abandoning him when he needed them most.

Ultimately, Barry McElduff is many things to many different people and more so now than ever. But to me he is — and will always be — a good man. A worker for the people, many who criticise him would have no concept of his efforts for the ordinary folk of this area, most of which were never publicised for personal political gain. He just done the job.

Anything I’ve ever had to say about Barry, especially when being critical, I said it straight to his face. I’d like to think it was likewise, on his part, in regards to myself. Either way, for the significant role he played in the early years of my development as a Republican I take this opportunity to say thanks.

No matter our differences over the past few years, none of which spilled over into the personal — unlike with some others — I wish him and his family only the best as they move now into a new and unheralded period of their lives. When all is said, and as I know from my own experiences, family is the only thing you can count on in the end. Indeed, at the finish, it’s the only thing that does count.


Sean Bresnahan blogs at An Claidheamh Soluis

Follow Sean Bresnahan on Twitter @bres79


59 comments :

jgr33n said...

Putting aside the incident - it was a pretty stupid photo for an elected representative to take at best and insensitive at worst whether intentionally or not - anyone inside PSF who doesn't realize they are expendable and will be sacrificed for expediency is blind to recent history - I don't know the guy as you do and take your word that he is a good person but he has been a significant enough part of an organization that has abandoned, forced out (and much worse) people who they suddenly deem embarrassing, surplus to requirements or past their sell-by date so in many ways it is hard to sympathize with him to be honest.

Steve R said...

Even the shinners knew they couldn't spin this gross faux pas by wee Barry.

How the fuck wee Barry COULDN'T have seen the potential for outrage is beyond me.

Niall said...

Of course they remained silent and unsupportive....they're a mainstream political party now and image is everything....The party should have told Unionism to fuck away off and stop trying to make political gain where there is none to make but they didn't. A hamster and its wheel are more revolutionary than that whole party now.

marty said...

He is exactly what quisling $inn £anny have become fucking eejits , but willing to exploit the memory of decent men and women so that they could squabble over power , money, their average industrial wage the latest to be exposed as a sham ,refer to Dessiebroy Ellis €90k a year +expenses, I have no friends in Quisling $inn £anny and nor would I want any, this grovelling piece says to me that really the apple really hasn't fallen that far from the tree ,,,

sean bres said...

Let go of that hatred at some point Marty.

marty said...

Will do when the last of them fall of their perch , they shouldn't be allowed to sleep easy on other mens/womens wounds , that sets them apart from run of the mill political partys,I for one would walk over them if they dropped on the street ,fuck them Sean ,

sean bres said...

In my opinion there are many good people in Sinn Féin but I understand why their detestable leadership makes it difficult for people to see that. I wouldn’t put McElduff in the bracket of the latter but each to their own. At the finish, I feel he was well and truly shafted by his supposed friends and colleagues — who were quite happy to let him sink to preserve their pseudo ‘outreach to unionism’ effort.

Peter said...

Sean
I disagree. The SF leadership only slapped his wrist with a 3 month "suspension". He was shafted after Alan Black appeared on RTE and within minutes McElduff was gone. The southerners wanted the story shut down as IRA sectarian massacres don't play well with the southern electorate. North-south republican dynamics at play, not a sop to unionism.

marty said...

Lie down with dogs ,rise with fleas Sean ,,sin é,

sean bres said...

More than possible Peter and I know others who think the same. I think, though, that the 3 month suspension, was a ruse to distract and thus protect Ó Muilleoir. It was always going to be the case that he (McElduff) would ‘resign’ under duress once that particular task had been accomplished.

AM said...

Sean,

I thing Peter is right.

It was a nod to the South not the Unionists.

If they wanted to be genuine about outreach to unionists they would stop covering up for Kingsmill and simply state that the IRA was responsible.

Barry might have been blameless of everything but being oblivious to the anniversary. I was not conscious of the date either and I doubt had I seen that video without the anniversary being pointed out to me, the significance of the action would have registered with me. Sectarianism is so deeply ingrained that we don't even know it. But as I suggested in my own piece there was too much doubt for Barry to get the benefit of.

War crimes run deep in people's memories and the ability to remember only our own misfortune and not that of the "other crowd" becomes so easily interpreted as an act of gross insensitivity.

Even if I might disagree with a lot of it, this is a brave piece of writing because it goes against the tide of what your readers expect and want you to say and some of them will howl at you for having a view different to their own.

sean bres said...

I’ve become accustomed to such howling of late Tony and am in no way surprised by the mention of ‘grovelling’ and ‘the apple never falls far from the tree’. Attempts to impact what people feel comfortable in writing are in reality attempts to control how others think — which is exactly where we went wrong in the past. The apple never falls far from the tree indeed, though here I’m referring to a much wider phenomenon than the comment alluded to above.

As an aside to that, I’m much closer to your own long-held view at this point and think Republicanism is in deep trouble, with increasingly less to offer outside of its own narrow spectrum of adherents and the sealed bubble it exists in. What amazes me most in this regard is that, at a time of existential crisis for the British constitution, there is zero by way of a campaign to realise Irish Unity — outside of the mainstream and circumscribed ‘Agreed Ireland’ of the constitutional parties that is. There is not even a semblance that one is to be organised any time soon.

On the one hand we have the established order bedding in its notion of this ‘Agreed Ireland’ — which it seems clear now will be a revised continuum of the ‘totality of relationships’ framework introduced by Peter Brooke in 1991 — and on the other we have Republicans distracted away from where they need to be focused — skilfully it should be noted — by the agents of influence Dixie spoke about last night on another thread. In both instances the hand of the British state is there, steering the emerging nationalist majority in the North towards somewhere more to its liking than an independent all-Ireland republic.

While all of this goes on, there is almost nothing of substance in response from Republicanism — unless Facebook is to be counted as though it were activism (though even here there is nothing of note). The British are playing a blinder. It almost beggars belief at this point but it is hard to see what, if anything, will change. For how could it change when Republicans prefer to accuse and find fault and attack those who don’t see things as they do or as they’d like them to? Sad times.

AM said...

Sean,

it is not the debate above which I am concerned about but the general howling that arises when a piece like this is written. At least your critics here don't try to deny you an opinion and would rally to your defence even if they disagree. But you need to keep plugging away with your views and never give in to those who want to shout you down.

As for republicanism, some time ago I came to the view that the moment had passed, if indeed it had ever been there. It is like trying to change the weather with a rain dance. You will end up seriously depressed if you continue to focus on it too much. Never let something like republicanism limit your horizons or monopolise your time. Other things are more worthy of it. Join the SVP or something rather than spend your days giving the kiss of life to a corpse.

marty said...

Sean I see you've reverted back to your usual 1000 word waffle where one could suffice , your detraction from the main post is as seems the way you go theses days , but hey at least my fishing season is started and I know where I,m going , a couple of questions Sean , try answering in an unambigious manner please , 1 would you go back to q$£ if offered a post , 2 who are these agents of influence that you refer to , I have heard them mentioned several times in the last few weeks ,been blocked for asking who and for some evidence ,have the courage your cronies haven't and name and shame these people a big plus will be if you back up your assertions with something concrete , as for accusing ,finding fault yes it would really be sad times if we went back down the road of blind loyality ,I for one wont get caught twice ,,sin é

sean bres said...

Anthony, like yourself, it’s not the discussion above that I’m referring to but a wider phenomenon prevalent in modern Republicanism. Marty’s initial comment was merely a reflection of that and useful in turn to make the point. I was only last weekend referred to as a disgrace for daring to state that Republicanism had been steered into a corner by the Brit state in relation to the Bloody Sunday fiasco. I found myself wondering is this person for real — until, that is, I realised that people often perceive criticism as a direct attack on themselves or their group.

While this is perhaps understandable, it remains the case that while such attitudes persist we are going nowhere. If we can’t deal with criticism without attacking people in a personal manner then we are condemned to end up right back where we started. Who in their right mind would want anything to do with that? That’s a rhetorical question of course, for we both know the answer is no-one. Republicanism is in a bad place and this is the common wisdom of all the Republicans that I trust — who admittedly, with that said, are few and far between.

AM said...

Marty,

just in case there is any confusion, it is not this site you were blocked from for asking questions. People reading the above comment might think it refers to the current discussion.

AM said...

Sean,

I often found myself called a disgrace and a blinkered fool, for saying things like the movement would end up supporting the British police or decommissioning. The people saying it have happily remained with SF long after the acts of decommissioning and truncheon sucking. It is that sandbag mentality which seeks to repel probing discussion that allows the regressive change to proceed by the protection it affords those who wish to pursue office to the detriment of all else. I think that attitude is symptomatic of an authoritarian personality with its need to obey and be obeyed. That always needs challenged even of what you base your analysis on is wrong. During my Marxist phase when I discovered that Marxism is the opium of the Marxists, I was given to expressing the view better the thinking pluralist than the unthinking Marxist.

grouch said...

marty, do u get angry with the fish too. do u stand on the river bank and pull angry faces at your reflection in the water. do fish find u scary. has anybody ever pushed u in?

marty said...

Sean a chara you told us that agents of influence are at work here please tell us who they are , tell us as someone who is close to members of the march committee who incidentally to date have not explained who these agents are either , the rationale behind that poster , why Tony Taylors spokesmen/women have been denied speaking rights from the platform , you are of course entitled to any opinion you like but don't you think some of us who observe these matters wonder how someone such as yourself a spokesman for a republican grouping can so easily step forward and speak in defense of what is clearly a PBP inspired poster ,now I voted Gerry Carroll last election and indeed may even vote him again , but at least I know where Gerry stands , have you now become a member of PBP if so best of luck but its your present Limbo appearing stance that confuses me , once again a chara , tell us who these agents that you speak of are ,
Anthony a chara over the decade or so that I have been " doin your head in" I can only recall maybe two posts were you have felt the need to refuse inclusion both were potentially libellous ,they were when I lol , .....It was Kate Nash on FB blocked me and again it was when asked who are these agents she ranted about ,...no a chara even lying bastards like Gerry itwasntme or you cant clamp me Kelly would be given space on your blogs , don't agree but respect your right ,
Grouch a chara I,m at that stage in life where I no longer know all the answers indeed the questions are now getting even harder , but hey I,m also at the stage where I don't give a fuck , my jobs done here my kids have flown the nest, when not in Donegal or Scotland (where daughter has 3 pubs and a nightclub) Marie and I are in Leitrim fishing and the only face that I pull is a happy one esp at sundown when sitting down to a pint , and as for being chucked in the water ,yip many a time from the boat and now I suppose its the grandkids turn so like the Gillaroo (wee red fellow) that lives in that beautiful place we return them with a friendly wave my final chuck will be my ashes into that water ....

sean bres said...

To answer your question Marty, in one word as it seems you’d prefer: no. Nor would I have anything to do with your party of choice these days — revisionists both. That, however, does not require me to hate on those I once worked with. Also and in regards to naming people over the internet, I think I’ll let that one pass but the idea that there are NOT agents of influence at their dirty work is a stretch for me. And just in regard to yourself. I asked what was your deal yesterday while in Derry passing through. It would seem you were blocked not because of anything you asked but because the locals there, whether rightly or wrongly, believe you to be a sock puppet for a certain woman. It was then I remembered your spat with another commentator on this site a few years ago, in relation to the Marian Price campaign. It relates to the same individual so the dots are not that hard to join. Hopefully that sheds a bit of light for you in regards to why you were blocked. People are sick of the shit-stirring and that’s the height of it. As I said in response to your initial comment, you should try and let that hate the world attitude go. When all has been said, it damages only yourself. Sin é.

sean bres said...

Just to be clear Marty, a sock puppet is not my personal opinion of you but that is what was said no matter. I enjoyed our discussions of old on Tyrone GAA and the like but it’s clear that’s ancient history and your dislike for me is obvious. Where it has come from I don’t know but in truth I don’t care. The bottom line for me here is it seem you are wholly oblivious to the people and the agenda you have lined yourself up with. You are far from alone in this regard but it beats me why you think Kate Nash owes you — or anyone else for that matter — an explanation. Kate and Linda owe nothing to any of ye. Full stop. It’s little wonder she blocked you.

grouch said...

nice one marty, im just worried ur liver mite spontaneously combust if u let things get to u so much. sean bres is one of the soundest men ive ever met and i never met him if u know what i mean. i wish there was more like him. so is anthony even though i bitch a lot to him but ive always seen him as a potential marxist-lennonist and im actually thinking of entrusting the organisation to him when i pop my clogs too. as someone who is an enemy of all republican armed factions, orangies, mi5, mossad, the kgb, cia, tranny organisations and various fanatical feminist factions, that cud be anytime soon. enjoy the fishing marty.

marty said...

Sean that response makes as much sense as Gerry adams saying that he was never in the RA, you said you asked people in Derry what my deal was and it appears that through a few questions to Kate Nash on her FB page ie , who are the paramilitaries trying to take over , what are the lies that they are spreading and can we have an example , and who is the political party that is trying to take over, those are the questions that I asked Kate , her response was to block me , now you are telling me it was influenced by others who call me a "sock puppet " for I presume Pauline Mellon I don't know what a sock puppet is so could you enlighten me on that , however Mickey Donnelly did engage in vile and scurrilous remarks about me never being out of Paulines house , for those sad sick bastards that fill your head full of crap Sean I have been in Paulines home on 7 occasions and accompanied at all times with my wife and on one occasion Kate Helen Linda and Eamon Sweeney were also present,the "spat you refer to was with my good friend Nuala Perry a true republican and someone whom I hold in highest regard , Marians campaign was hard work and opinions differed but the honest intent was there ,therefore it tells me how low these people plus yourself go to try and deflect from the main issue ,Once again Sean I have no personal animosity towards yourself other than ask you where you stood in relation to that poster ,I am not aligned to any grouping nor do I seek to speak for any , but what I have now witnessed these last few weeks is how disgusting those who claim to be democrats with open and inclusivity as their get call will sink to rather than accept that differing opinions should be addressed, the disgusting remarks on some FB posts re Pauline are sick and beneath contempt , its clear also how these commentators never address any of the issues raised , agents of influence Sean can range from priests to teachers so those using this terminology should really in unambigious terms tells us who they are talking about ,we should be told why Tony Taylors Spokesmen/women were barred from the platform ,we still have to hear the rationale behind that poster , Sean you and I will have the pint we have so often talked about , but really a chara those guttersnipes whispering in your ear are clouding your judgement , I thought more of you that that last post presents you as ,,







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grouch said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNdIsUesKIw

sean bres said...

Marty, if the response doesn’t make sense to you then well and good but let’s be clear here. I do not believe you are anyone’s puppet and was quite clear in saying that. What others think is nothing to do with me, however, but by all means continue to speak about how ‘low’ I am and all the rest. Not once have I insulted or attacked you, I merely relayed what was said so you might better understand why you were blocked.

Also, I did not say Kate blocked you on the advice/innuendo of others. I said that you are perceived as a sock puppet for a certain someone who has went out of their way to cause grief for Kate and Linda (and many others) and that you were likely blocked for that reason. They are sick of this shite and why wouldn’t they be — these are women getting on in years let’s remember and they have been put through the mill. Many people have added to their difficulties in recent weeks and I for one am totally sickened by it all.

When your questions were put the association was likely made there and then and then, boom, there you have it and she blocked you. She was right to in my opinion, for as I’ve already said Kate Nash owes you nothing. She owes her brother and not any of us. It may well have been for an entirely different reason but, joining the dots, I’d say there’s your answer and you need look no further. That’s not to insult you; it’s just where it’s at.

At the end of the day those women don’t want or need hassled by Republicans who have mistaken it as their right to make demands of them — what part of that is so hard for people to understand? What makes you think you have the right to be asking Kate Nash anything or that she owes you an explanation? In this regard you are far from alone it’s worth adding. As for you being in Pauline Mellon’s house, that is of absolutely no concern to me and anything said in that regard has zero to do with me.

Lastly, the only other thing I’ve to say here is that no-one is in my ear or clouding my judgement. And also, I’m not deflecting from anything. Why would I be? I made my feelings on Barry McElduff quite clear in the post and stand over them. I have known the man all my life and while we have different approaches to the achieving of our objective, and thus parted ways, we did not fall out and I will respect him until the day I die. That is not something I need permission for from you or anyone else.

The beat of it is that a great majority of today’s Republicans were there with Sinn Féin and McElduff, steering the Good Friday Agreement and what followed over the line — quite content to remain silent as they ‘policed’ dissenting voices. I had my own mind and judgement then, just as I do now, and am quite happy to stand over it.

It might be noted in conclusion, and not without irony, that many of these self-same Republicans marched in the parade without issue on the year that three and half thousand candles were carried — for EVERY person killed in the war here, including William Best and every last member of the security forces killed by the Army. Quite possibly you were one of them, who knows.

Steve R said...

Can anybody else see why Republicanism splits so often? lol

grouch said...

steve, we kinda have split personalities and we like arguing, thats why we like to split. marty reminds me of the reeves and mortimer sketch years back - you wouldnt let it lie -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnWgGrgDjA8

marty said...

Sean you ask did I carry a candle in a march commemorating every single person killed in the "Troubles " that's maybe something you in your many coats may have done but I Sean take Dan Breens line on that , those who come steal and occupy our land etc I will kill them by whatever means possible, and will make no apology to any god nor man , in effect rather than weep crocodile tears I am grateful to those who wiped out Billy Wright Elder Bratty and co nor those in uniform , I,m not a fucking hypocrite , I simply asked Kate 3 questions to her rant , but hey there are 12 on that committee and todate no one has stepped forward to explain anything , bit watery comrades or is it like quisling $inn £anny that the main man must give the nod first , I have asked ad nauseam over a number of posts the same questions and never have been satisfactorily answered , so in conclusion its becoming tiresome having someone like yourself pissing down my back and telling me its someone else , the original post was about that Quisling $inn £anny eejit McElduff and from what I can now see he and you are well suited ,,Sin é on this matter

sean bres said...

I never asked if you carried a candle Marty but one of the years of the parade they were carried and yet people still participated. Maybe you were one of them; maybe you weren’t. I don’t care either way. As for your questions not being answered the point seems lost on you that Kate owes you nothing. You speak of my many coats but yet you are the one who votes People Before Profit. You’re good craic. Sin é on this matter is right. Slán.

grouch said...

this works -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm7jAFhVFIo

marty said...

Once again I refer you to m y previous post Sean ie Dan Breens comments it should have been obvious from that comment that there is not a mission of me commemorating any Brit or their agents NO is the simple, for someone who doesn't care you don't half go fucking on about it ,as for kate owing me ,well I have never said that she did,thats another assertion you continue to make ad nauseam she put a rant out on Fb and I asked her as a friend to quantify her remarks, her open and inclusive response was to block me , now again as I said in my previous post Kate is not the only person on that committee I believe its 12 in number ,now if the rest were as concerned for Kate as you seem to be and think that maybe 3 simple questions were maybe to much for her as you obviously do ,then why didn't they pick up the baton , they went to ground when that poster was introduced and it appears that they may not surface until groundhog day , yes Sean I see you as a man of many coats unfortunately not the talents ,I did as stated vote for Gerry Carroll and may so so again as is my democratic right not being aligned to any political grouping , but that vote doesn't make me a camp follower of PBP something that in defense of poster you surely have proven yourself so unabel to be ,but hey its Ireland and the wind will change in a minute any ideas where you will next surface Sean FG are recruiting I hear,,Slan agus siné

sean bres said...

Fine Gael be more your line I doubt Marty, going on the insulting carry-on above. You’d be well met. As for the poster, the committee and People Before Profit, they are fuck all to do with me and I’m not defending them. Why would I be? Take your shite up with those concerned if you must — you’re the one who votes for that Agreement-supporting Partitionist gang of cop lovers after all, not me. All I’ve said is that Republicans marched in a parade in a previous year when ALL those killed in the war were commemorated — including William Best, those killed at Omagh and Enniskillen and all the others who caused such offence this year. That is a fact. I also said that you were likely blocked by Kate as you’re perceived as a sock puppet for another person and thus why your questions were ignored. I can’t help if that’s how you’re seen. Either way, going on your hate-filled garbage above, it’s small wonder she blocked you. Lose the anger and the hate the world mindset before the wind you speak of changes and you’re stuck with it for eternity — as already, indeed, would appear the case. Thats free advice and the last I’ve to say to you. Good day.

marty said...

Ach Sean wee man empty vessels make the most noise that rant above is leaving me concerned re your mental well being , for e,g you continually refer to me as a sock puppet oh not your words of course ,so if you don't believe it why do you continually repeat it, ? I asked Kate once again to quantify remarks she made , now I have the screen shots so proof is available if reqd she initially answered me with a rant and when I asked her to give an example to back up her statement she then blocked me , so in essence Sean if she perceived me to be a "sock Puppet" why did she not block me before or indeed initially answer my question ,, now in conversation with Huggem Helen who spent the last three days hurling abuse before blocking me also she said in one of her retorts almost verbatim the same crap that you came of with less than an hour earlier SOCK PUPPETTS ! indeed one wonders,I voted Gerry Carroll as is my right one two counts ! he deserved the vote, 2 as a vote against q$£, where you at that march that you rave so much about Sean I sure as hell wasn't ,now as for hate filled garbage Sean an example please, is asking questions that may cause embarrassment hate filled? I for one have spent the last three weeks calling for the BSMC to reach out the hand of friendship to those that has been excluded and create a committee that is indeed open and inclusive to all those who are opposed to state murderers and their agents , their silence is shocking and bodes an ill wind for the future of street protest ,no anger here or indeed in previous posts Sean you really need to calm yourself down,and read the words as written not what you think they mean , sorry for calling you a potential Blue shirt , but you are are like Thrush i.e an irritating wee cunt ,,

sean bres said...

People Befire Profit-voting Marty. I don’t care about you, Pauline Mellon, the march committee, who did or didn’t answer your questions or why they failed to do so. Likewise all of the stuff you’ve listed over the past few days as though it were in any way to do with me. The same goes for all of your insulting garbage above, including your latest retort. I care only about the march being wrecked — and wrecked it sure is. With that said, what would you know about me when you’ve never met me in your life for to be passing judgement. Away on with yourself. If I irritate you so much then that says more about you than me. You have a hate the world attitude and it’s evident in everything you say and write. Good luck to you regardless as it’s your own issue, not mine.

marty said...

LOL Sean AH so you have shown yourself as a Mickey Donnelly mk11 sock puppet , you pair are obsessed with her ,and yet the woman has put up a post and neither of you have the balls to respond , again your delusional rants re my exercising my democratic right for voting Gerry Carroll say it all really when you ,and a couple other eejits have spent the last few weeks defending the indefendsible poster produced by PBP inspired supporters even Dixie has stated as much ,maybe you still vote Q$f having lingered so long there and your love for the carpetbaggers that infest it still ,had you really cared about the march and not trying to fill your boots and ego by playacting the mouth to those who created this mess then you would have joined in with us who saw that calling for prosecutions of republicans was never going to wash with genuine republicans , the only hate that I have is for the scumbags who lie easy on the wounds of my comrades and friends some who died on lonely country roads and fuck you if that doesn't sit well with you ,but hey my mental well being is as you say none of your business wee man so take your thumb out of you bum put your mind in gear before you engage your mouth ,

sean bres said...

If I am the ‘wee man’ then presumably you are the big man? Revealing — as is your mention of Mickey Donnelly. That you persist with the pretence that I defended that poster, when I didn’t, tells me that you make it up to suit as you go along. Likewise the nonsense about Pauline Mellon, who I have NEVER said a bad word about to this day. Point out where it is otherwise by all means but no doubt you’ll return, instead, with more insult — it’s all you’re good for. As for the rest of your spiteful rant, what can be said other than enough said. We move on.

grouch said...

".....mess then you would have joined in with us who saw that calling for prosecutions of republicans was never going to wash with genuine republicans "

genuine republicans being who - are u talking about the mi(5)litants and their dopey supporters?

marty said...

"Napolean Complex" is a theorised condition occurring in people of short stature.It is characterised by an over-aggressive or domineering social behaviour and carries the implication that such behaviour is compensating for the subjects stature,
The term is also used more generally to describe people who are driven by a perceived handicap to overcompensate in other aspects of their lives,Other names for this syndrome is the short man syndrome , very apt description eh wee man .
Mickey Donnelly your fellow sock puppet has spent almost 3 weeks accusing not only myself but people in Scotland of being Pauline Mellon (as if that was a bad thing )Huggem Helen also has thrown that at me before she slid of , you have through suggestion and innuendo also made reference to me being a sock puppet for someone ,but as a gutless wee man you couldn't mention who suggested to you that this was the case or indeed mention Paulines name ,you most certainly did defend that poster by implication ,you involvement in defending those that promoted a march that calls for the arrest of republicans is in black and white for all to see , and read , the dreadful turnout is the result of such a disgraceful poster and those who promoted it and in all probability no one will ever have the balls to accept their responsibility for the outcome , you would be better engaged in putting out the hand of friendship to those who were forced to exclude themselves and work with them to resolve the issues which in my honest opinion are not really that far apart instead of digging a hole that is already to deep ,

Steve R said...

RIP Grammar.

sean bres said...

No bother ‘Big Marty’ —though it sounds suspiciously like you might be thinking on your own situation and whatever complex is going on in regards with yourself with that spiel. Big Marty — or is it ‘Angry Man’? I wonder what the experts reckon on that syndrome, which you have been gripped with and then some. Your latest retort was good for a laugh, if nothing else, I suppose.

sean bres said...

What kind of hateful bastard refers to an elderly woman, who gets about with the use of a wheelchair and who has been traumatised and made victim by the British state, as ‘Huggem Helen’ anyway? A new low. You, Marty Flynn, are an obnoxious and spiteful little man. Get help.

grouch said...

Steve rip Bloody Sunday March too hopefully not to mention the dead.

marty said...

Well wee man I see that your still digging your hole and not addressing the issues who are these agents that you talked of , why were you encouraging people to partake in a march that calls by implication in that poster the prosecution of republican .do you disagree with that analysis, if so please explain because its the primary reason why so many republicans and groups who normally would have marched refused to do so this year ,hence the pathetic turn out ,A HATEFUL BASTARD wee man tut tut Huggem Helen hugs the commander of the brit reg that murdered her bro , she also prayed for him bit like yourself in the days when you were a member of the legion are you still licking the alter rails with all that bile in you god forgive you , Huggem Helen is not in a wheelchair Sean she is doing a Madge from Benidorm on steroids, and I know that you are aware of her vile and twisted rants these last few weeks because you liked them even the ones abusing Pauline Mellon, even Kate has apologised for her disgusting abuse I am led to believe though to be honest a bad chest infection as proffered as a way of excuse is no reasonable excuse if you ask me, if you really think of Huggem Helen as elderly and you have respect for the elderly then explain your abuse to this elderly man, I once again offer you this advice wee man talk to those who you helped exclude by defending that indefensible poster that was the banner for this years march, and buy yourself a bigger pair of platforms ..

AM said...

this exchange has degenerated into name calling with absolutely no educative value. If you both wish to continue with it why not email each other?

marty said...

LOL I,ve asked the questions a chara ,and no reasonable response so I may as well engage the wee man in his foolery ...E,mail him ! Id pray for him if I wasn't a heathen thank god for that !

sean bres said...

This ‘exchange’ degenerated long ago. What ‘Big Marty’ — the angry man — time and again has done above is direct questions towards me that I have no place or reason to be answering. I don’t speak for those he wants answers of.

The poster is nothing to do with me. His being blocked by Kate Nash or her refusal to take onboard his questions is nothing to do with me, though I gave him the likely reason he was blocked. His spat with ‘Huggem Helen’ Deery, Mickey Donnelly, whoever he refers to in Scotland and an assortment of others is likewise nothing to do with me. He makes erroneous accusations of me by the boatload but c’est la vie as that is the nature of the Internet and this site.

The one question he has asked which relates to me, having referred to it elsewhere, is of the role of British agent in steering Republicans unseen from behind. That is an ongoing enterprise, which only the deluded would deny, and it played a significant role in what happened after Christmas. It was not, however, the only thing contributing to the fiasco and I’ve never said different. They achieved their purpose and successfully wrecked the march in any event.

I marched that day with ex-Blanketmen, Hooded Men, a number of ex-prisoners who were held by the occupation system in both Long Kesh and Portlaoise and with family members of IRA Volunteers who were killed on Active Service on the streets of Derry City. We lined up together in support of justice for the Bloody Sunday families and departed together in advance of the march concluding (not happy about many of the things Marty references ourselves), gathering instead in a self-funded ex-prisoners centre in nearby Free Derry Corner.

I’m sorry if we didn’t ‘measure up’ to the big man’s expectations but sure what can be done.

grouch said...

i hope the brits never leave becuz if they do the civil war between northern taigs will be like vietnam.

grouch said...

And the young people ask, what are they marching for? And I ask myself the same question.

marty said...

Sean you have been a willing messenger for those who spread accusations without either foundation or proof and that's all I have ever asked for, as Anthony has pointed out here numerous occasions when Martybroy Mc Guinness remember him had been accused of being J118 or a Brussel sprout as said Anthony said show me the evidence ,That is all I asked. you repeat weasel words whispered to you without either asking for proof or using the knowledge you have of me or indeed the ability to contact me privately , but hey ,
You say none of the problems re that poster and therefore the march that followed it are anything to do with you , well Sean you put up a post and If I,m not mistaken called The Pacification OF Ireland Continues which was to say the least a promotional piece for that march ,
Now in another post here on the Quill we read of Martin Galvin,s conversation with a spokesman from Saoradh, who alongside other groupings and murdered family members have clearly stated why that march was boycotted , how in all honesty could a republican overlook the context of that poster which equates republican actions with those of the occupier , I have made this point ad nauseam and never been adequately answered , Dixie who took part in the march had the decency to state to members of that committee his displeasure of that poster and he stated it was responsible for the disaster that is the outcome, this whole debacle could have been easily sorted long before the march if only the so called openness ,inclusivity and transparency that that committee claims and indeed call for from others had been available to those who had concerns indeed Dixie said of having a row with someone from said committee we never heard the outcome other than they stuck with the poster and therefore imo they were more than willing to arrogantly dismiss the concerns of so many supporters , instead people like myself have been subjected to weeks of innuendo and abuse , it wont solve the loss of support for that march by calling me a bastard but I,ve suffered a lot worse in my long life so far so it it fills yer boots ,,

sean bres said...

And still he persists. I haven’t read that no doubt full of guff comment and nor do I ever intend to — the same goes for any further drivel. An obnoxious git is the height of you Flynn. Get help and good bye.

sean bres said...

At the end of the day and after all of the above I can still see that Marty is honest and doesn’t have an agenda. I don’t think this gives him license to refer to me — or anyone else for that matter — in the manner he has chosen to above, however. Describing him as a ‘hateful bastard’ was a reaction and wrong on my part.

Just on a point of clarity before I leave this vexing thread for good. Like Dixie, I also contacted some of those on the committee and voiced in no uncertain terms my concerns about that poster — a poster I have never once defended for the record. The poster was a disaster in the making and whoever allowed it to go forward needs their head read.

More important, though, in all of this sorry saga — for me at least — is the sickening reality that it gave those waiting on just such a slip up the opportunity they have long been holding out for. They are the issue for me because they are inside Republicanism while the march committee is not. While Republicanism not only allows this element to run but gives it increased position then it is going nowhere.

As I said at the outset, it is not Saoradh or any other particular group that I’m referring to. Neither is it Pauline Mellon to save confusion. If it is too much for the sensitivities of some for me to make mention of this reality then there is nothing I can do about it but it’s small wonder Republicanism is where it currently is. To be perfectly honest at this point it is not worth the hassle. The march is now wrecked in any event. The Brits done their job well. We move on.

marty said...

The same attitude taken by the BSMC committee totally disrespectful and discredited, and he is speaking without reading folks ,that's the quality of the wee man , ..

sean bres said...

I don’t think Marty, like many others, realises the extent of the attack on Kate, the battles she has faced or just how good a person she is. The poster was a total fuck up — we all know that. But there is far dirtier stuff going on here and it is thoroughly rotten. As I said elsewhere the weekend of the march, in due course — when the modern day Denis Donaldsons are revealed — people will look back to this time and say, ‘how did we miss that’. Sin é.

marty said...

I have honestly at all times been in the corner for those who deserve our utmost respect ie the victims of the state, I cannot nor will ever equate republican actions to that of the state , my primary concern was that poster was going to be a red flag to a bull and as it turned out it was, it is all the more worrying to read that Sean along with Dixie who were able to speak to members of that committee and express concerns about the poster yet still ignored, it begs the question who is calling the shots when such an openly divisive poster can still be allowed to proceed with, and now we witness the results , shame on those who produced it or was division their intention , people have been a loggerheads these last few weeks yet the BSMC remain almost invisible and silent on the matter , I genuinely hope for the victims sake this matter can be resolved ,because I do agree with Sean that the only winners here are those who wanted the march destroyed and I for one am not guilty of that ,

marty said...

Sean we have been to Stormont and Derry on more than one occasion in total support of Kate and the victims issue, and not to many of us either , ,We have travelled to a meeting in Derry when Mc Cann failed to show up and he was due to chair the meeting nor indeed apparently did her friends on that committee,Thats why when this poster row was still fresh as a friend I asked her the questions and would have proffered my advice for what its worth but when blocked and abused then my suspicions get raised and as someone who has never rolled over except when getting the fucked kicked out of me north and south you may expect a fight back ,Again I know about Donaldson having been on the receiving end of his dirty tricks ,but that's another story and a well learned lesson ,the point that I repeatedly make here is that to go forward and not allow individuals that sort of ultimate control is accountability openness and honesty , a shared load is easier carried ,and again I may be a bastard but I aint the bad guy,,,

sean bres said...

At the finish of it all I know you’re not the bad guy Marty. I think in future I’m going to try and give the comments section a miss. Adh mhór.

marty said...

Sean you should not stop expressing any opinion that you sincerely believe ,your opinion is as relevant as anyone elses , my opinions are indeed my own and I take no prompting from anyone or any party, nor indeed do I feel the need to spread untruths, you I know have been about long enough to know the difference , I bear you no ill will a chara sin é,,

sean bres said...

Sound job. We move on.

marty said...

Aye we do indeed ,coming together is a beginning,keeping together is progress,working together is success , Henry Ford a bastard but a clever one ,,