Mick Hall @ Organized Rage asks:

The right to expropriate property, does the willing buyer-willing seller principle ignore justice?


In the article below Terry Bell, the South African socialist, trade unionist and journalist asks when does the state have the right to expropriate property.


Since it came to power the ANC has usually used the “willing buyer, willing seller” principle although with elections on the horizon a new opposition party, the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) have been vocally questioning this. They believe land stolen from it's original owners the native peoples should be expropriated without compensation from the current owners. Otherwise it is rewarding theft.

This may not just be a question South Africans need to grapple with. In the UK almost all the large estates owned by the British aristocracy were originally expropriated in one way or another. People were driven off the land their families had worked for centuries, often with state collusion when it organised programs like the highland clearances. Or courtier's were given titles and land by the Crown for services rendered. In some cases it was land which was originally stolen by Henry VIII from the Roman Catholic church.

If a Corbyn government comes to power in 2020 and decides to re-nationalise the railways, or gas and electric utilities, should it pay the market rate or the knock down price they were sold off for by earlier Tory governments?

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The Right to Expropriate Property.
Terry Bell

In clear election mode, South Africa’s President Jacob Zuma has carried out an outflanking manoeuvre against the most vocal opposition party, the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF). He did so by raising the prospect of land seizure when speaking in Rustenburg. There referred to the “land that was stolen from us” and asked why stolen land should be paid for.

The EFF leadership has made the issue of land redistribution a major plank in their electoral programme leading up to the local government elections later this year. And the idea of “taking back land stolen from us” is central to this. However, Zuma also implied that the government had erred in its approach to the land issue.

He was referring to the “willing buyer, willing seller” principle that was adopted by the ANC government and was widely thought to be demanded South Africa’s much lauded constitution. However, as the late former chief justice, Arthur Chaskelson pointed out in an interview: “There is no such provision in the constitution.”

In fact the constitution makes the public interest and equitable distribution of natural resources a principle.

At the time of the interview, shortly before his death, Chaskelson added that the only demand was that justice be served and he was clearly annoyed that the property section in the Bill of Rights (25) had been ignored or misinterpreted.

This section states that “no law may permit arbitrary deprivation of property”. But it goes on to state that property may be expropriated “for a public purpose or in the public interest…subject to compensation…”

However, the “amount of the compensation and the time and manner of payment”, while it must be “just and equitable” should strike a balance between “the public interest and the interests of those affected”. In so doing, it should “have regard to all relevant circumstances”.

These circumstances include “the history of the acquisition and use of the property”, along with “the extent of direct state aid and subsidy” enjoyed by property owners. Crucially, this constitutional provision states that the public interest includes “commitment to land reform, and to reforms to bring about the equitable access to all South Africa’s natural resources”. Property is also “not limited to land”.

Section 25 (5) goes on to note: “The state must take reasonable legislative and other measures, within its available resources, to foster conditions which enable citizens to gain access to land on an equitable basis.”

The priority, therefore, is to right earlier wrongs, to take full cognisance of all the circumstances, before deciding on what property to expropriate and at what level at over which period, any compensation should be paid.

Perhaps the EFF and President Jacob Zuma should peruse Section 25 since it covers their land redistribution demands with only one proviso: that further theft not be condoned and that justice be done.

The Right To Expropriate Property ...

Mick Hall @ Organized Rage asks:

The right to expropriate property, does the willing buyer-willing seller principle ignore justice?


In the article below Terry Bell, the South African socialist, trade unionist and journalist asks when does the state have the right to expropriate property.


Since it came to power the ANC has usually used the “willing buyer, willing seller” principle although with elections on the horizon a new opposition party, the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) have been vocally questioning this. They believe land stolen from it's original owners the native peoples should be expropriated without compensation from the current owners. Otherwise it is rewarding theft.

This may not just be a question South Africans need to grapple with. In the UK almost all the large estates owned by the British aristocracy were originally expropriated in one way or another. People were driven off the land their families had worked for centuries, often with state collusion when it organised programs like the highland clearances. Or courtier's were given titles and land by the Crown for services rendered. In some cases it was land which was originally stolen by Henry VIII from the Roman Catholic church.

If a Corbyn government comes to power in 2020 and decides to re-nationalise the railways, or gas and electric utilities, should it pay the market rate or the knock down price they were sold off for by earlier Tory governments?

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The Right to Expropriate Property.
Terry Bell

In clear election mode, South Africa’s President Jacob Zuma has carried out an outflanking manoeuvre against the most vocal opposition party, the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF). He did so by raising the prospect of land seizure when speaking in Rustenburg. There referred to the “land that was stolen from us” and asked why stolen land should be paid for.

The EFF leadership has made the issue of land redistribution a major plank in their electoral programme leading up to the local government elections later this year. And the idea of “taking back land stolen from us” is central to this. However, Zuma also implied that the government had erred in its approach to the land issue.

He was referring to the “willing buyer, willing seller” principle that was adopted by the ANC government and was widely thought to be demanded South Africa’s much lauded constitution. However, as the late former chief justice, Arthur Chaskelson pointed out in an interview: “There is no such provision in the constitution.”

In fact the constitution makes the public interest and equitable distribution of natural resources a principle.

At the time of the interview, shortly before his death, Chaskelson added that the only demand was that justice be served and he was clearly annoyed that the property section in the Bill of Rights (25) had been ignored or misinterpreted.

This section states that “no law may permit arbitrary deprivation of property”. But it goes on to state that property may be expropriated “for a public purpose or in the public interest…subject to compensation…”

However, the “amount of the compensation and the time and manner of payment”, while it must be “just and equitable” should strike a balance between “the public interest and the interests of those affected”. In so doing, it should “have regard to all relevant circumstances”.

These circumstances include “the history of the acquisition and use of the property”, along with “the extent of direct state aid and subsidy” enjoyed by property owners. Crucially, this constitutional provision states that the public interest includes “commitment to land reform, and to reforms to bring about the equitable access to all South Africa’s natural resources”. Property is also “not limited to land”.

Section 25 (5) goes on to note: “The state must take reasonable legislative and other measures, within its available resources, to foster conditions which enable citizens to gain access to land on an equitable basis.”

The priority, therefore, is to right earlier wrongs, to take full cognisance of all the circumstances, before deciding on what property to expropriate and at what level at over which period, any compensation should be paid.

Perhaps the EFF and President Jacob Zuma should peruse Section 25 since it covers their land redistribution demands with only one proviso: that further theft not be condoned and that justice be done.

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