The T Word – Terrorism Tripe Talk

It has been reported that the Minister for Justice and Equality Frances Fitzgerald is to create new laws ostensibly to squeeze physical force republicans and limit their room for manoeuvre. According to the Irish Independent’s Tom Brady who in the spirit of Section 31 reported but failed to denounce it:

The proposed new offences are public provocation to commit a terrorist offence, recruitment for terrorism and training for terrorism.
The provocation offence will be committed by anybody, who distributes or communicates a message to the public, with the intention of encouraging, directly or indirectly, a terrorist activity.
The second measure focuses on recruiting, or attempting to recruit, another to take part in terrorist activity or other offences contained in the post-Omagh Offences Against the State (Amendment) Act, 1998.
The third offence involves providing instruction or training in the skills of making or using firearms or explosives, nuclear material, biological, chemical or prohibited weapons, knowing that the skills are intended to be used for the purpose of terrorist activity.
It also covers training in techniques or methods for terrorist use.

It is difficult to see what is in the legislation that is not already there particularly in respect of training, instructing or recruiting. The supposed new laws in respect of these activities look as if they have been thrown in to create the illusion of a thought out wide ranging initiative. When stripped of the hype however they help mask the most insidious proposal, the real purpose of the exercise: censorial control of the public discourse by curbing the means for intellectual exploration and journalistic investigation.

This will have a far reaching effect on public understanding. Where a researcher or journalist has interviewed people for the purpose of enhancing knowledge and has elicited their views endorsing armed activity, the state will go on a plundering expedition in pursuit of the research findings as evidence. The researcher or journalist might even face prosecution on the grounds of indirectly facilitating expressions of support for terrorism.

Research will be even less secure than it currently is. Universities will distance themselves even more from the outlier and crack the whip at their researchers to rein them in. With circular and self serving logic the results of independent research will find itself eschewed on the grounds that it is not real knowledge given that it was not conducted with official university approval. Besides it might horrendously have been solicited from "terrorists". Heaven forbid such profanities.

The final product? Society will only ever be able to consider terrorism from the perspective of those who first tell us what it is, who then profile the users, and finally how law enforcement must be allowed to tackle it in unhindered fashion. The limitations of this become all too starkly vivid if we try to understand Palestinian armed force as explained by Mark Regev.

Of course it is not about combatting terrorism in the slightest but is yet another stage in the incessant process of shifting power from civil society to the state with all the potential dangers that poses for civil liberties. We can rest assured that the print and broadcasting media will be awash with views that endorse the terrorism of Israel. There will not be a single person who will even see the inside of a Garda station never mind a courtroom no matter how much they endorse the terrorism that Gazans are subjected to. Rather than face court they will be free to hold court and espouse their support for terrorism and even have the audacity to pretend that it is not terrorism. Charlie Flanagan will be able to stand beside Fitzgerald on the government benches and behave as a shill for Israeli terrorism, without as much as a cluck of disapproval from the forthright Frances. Conversely, there is every likelihood that sociologists in the mould of the late Philip Slater will feel the long baton of the law for merely stating that it would be difficult to have any respect for the Palestinians 'if they didn't fire a few rockets back.'

Frances Fitzgerald and her disgusting cabinet which remained unpardonably mute in the face of the terrorist onslaught on Gaza, which disgracefully abstained in a UN vote to set up a human rights inquiry in Gaza,  which embarrassingly lacked the fortitude to expel Israeli terrorism's official advocate in Ireland, Boaz Modai, now has the audacity to say she will silence terrorism.  The T word indeed. Tripe.

50 comments:

  1. Has the Quill turned into Al Manar? Really excited to see a piece that wasn't about Gaza. Very good thought provoking article but then....more Gaza. How about discussing ISIS. When the guy who beheaded James Foley eventually returns to his hometown of London and takes the other 400 Brit and Irish ISIS members with him you'll see Islamic fascism is a serious threat. Hamas is one strand of it. Hatred of all non Muslims, atheists, gays, institution of sharia law, oppression of women, destruction of races that they consider infidels. How Irish republicans can be supporters of these nuts is hard to fathom. It's antithetical to everything Irish republicanism stands for.

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  2. Ryan,

    feel free to discuss ISIS or the killers of Michael Brown if you wish. Most Irish republicans that I am aware of oppose the war crimes being inflicted on the children of Gaza. You couldn't really have a problem with that could you?

    Islamic fascism is a real threat and for that reason I wish the US would do something about it in Saudi Arabia.

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  3. Ryan, I agree with your general direction, but IS/ISIS are just the most unambiguous expression of Islamic fascism, the most dangerous and pervasive is the type that masquerades as Human Rights issues (e.g. niqabs and burkas are now advocated as part of a females right to wear what she wants, in this case an Islamic shroud of cowardly male misogyny).

    Irish republicans are not their only enablers, politicians fall over themselves to get to a microphone to state that James Foleys beheader was un-Islamic, neatly forgetting the example of their Prophet beheading 400-600 Jews in Banu Quarayza.
    There was an article in the Telegraph about why they behead people, it listed 5 irrelevant reasons, none to do with the Koran/Hadiths they often quote before carrying out the atrocity.

    Finally ,much like those that have to wear the dissident prefix to republican, IS are Islamist militants, implying what they practice is somehow distinct from Islam.

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  4. Daithi/Anthony,
    I support Israel but I accept that there have been war crimes committed by Israel in this war and far too many Palestinian kids killed. I I also accept that the blockade of Gaza must be lifted and all countries have to find a way to improve life for the average Palestinian in the Gaza Strip. What I never understood is how no republican ever discusses war crimes by Hamas, the intentional firing of rockets from hospitals, schools, UN zones. The use of human shields. They also never discuss Assad, ISIS, Iran, Islamic Jihad etc. They never discuss honor killings, sharia law. Everything is just an incessant bashing of Israel. Israel may be a convenient scapegoat and if it disappeared tomorrow that region would be as big a mess as it ever was.

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  5. Ryan,

    no republican ever discusses war crimes by Hamas

    While this does not stand up to scrutiny - on both this site and The Blanket the killing of Jewish kids and civilians was discussed and lambasted - focussing on war crimes of Hamas is like looking at the war crimes being committed by the Jews fighting in the Warsaw Ghetto. I suppose it is like the focus on the war crimes of Nazi Germany during World War 2 rather than say the US war crimes in Normandy. Critics unless they are absolute charlatans tend to go after the main player: tackle the core malignancies before the peripheral or the less central. But war crimes are never justified and there are republicans who have tried to justify them when carried out in pursuit of causes they endorse.

    A for human shields Mark Negev et al tell us this but the human rights agencies tell a different story: in fact Israeli soldiers were convicted for using Palestinians as human shields in the wake of an earlier invasion.

    Islamic violence has been the topic of discussion by republicans. The Blanket for example substantively addressed the issue of the Danish anti-theocratic cartoons at a time when many other outlets were avoiding it.

    Like yourself, there are growing numbers of Jewish people who support Israel but are totally opposed to its war crimes. I think that is a most positive step.

    Many republicans reflect on the fact that the Jewish experience at the hands of such unalloyed evil as dished out by the Nazis can then through the Jewish state produce no small measure of evil itself.

    The evil of Nazism is often viewed in relational terms - the relationship between it and the Jews. The dissimilarity between Nazism and the Jews serves as a powerful moral inhibitor against the nature of Nazism. Why allow that to be attenuated by behaviour on the part of the Jewish state that invokes similarities between it and Nazism rather than the crucial dissimilarities?

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  6. Ryan..
    How about discussing ISIS. When the guy who beheaded James Foley eventually returns to his hometown of London and takes the other 400 Brit and Irish ISIS members with him you'll see Islamic fascism is a serious threat.

    I have serious doubts in my head (no pun) about the James Foley video or should I say non video. I can post links of several westerners who have been be-headed by Islamic fundamentalists available online today. Anyone can find them with a few key strokes. What you'll find in the Foley case is Jihad John standing over someone with knife blaming everyone except his mother for the un-rest in the middle east, then oddly the video stops and a few frames are shown at the end of someone who looks like they have been decapitated.

    I personally believe it is a black flag op , like 9/11. If IS who are meant to be the most hideous form of Islam going wouldn't they film the 'whole show' instead of stopping the video and then only showing the end product in a few stills? Also with other videos of be-headings there is always several people standing behind the victim and praising Allah and denouncing the west....

    There is something about the Foley video that isn't adding up... As for IS, simply the brain child of the CIA.

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  7. Most Irish republicans that I am aware of oppose the war crimes being inflicted on the children of Gaza. You couldn't really have a problem with that could you?

    Some families in the north have had problems with their loved ones being disappeared, no warning bombings in which innocent men, women and children got blown to pieces, massacres like Kingsmill or Darkley.. All war crimes and at the time defended by the RM as collateral damage...I understand today that most republicans are against those type of actions today but with the fog of war, peoples judgements are clouded..

    Islamic fascism is a real threat and for that reason I wish the US would do something about it in Saudi Arabia.

    What they wont do is dispose of the regimes in Saudi or Qatar.. They (US) know they need a few dictators in their pockets to keep things in check in that region of the world.

    What scares me more than most events is the slow build up of the US Navy in the Pacific basin..

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  8. Spot on Frankie re ISIS. If anyone believes the malarkey about this group being such a threat etc they will believe anything.
    ISIS is a CIA enterprise designed to create unrest in the countries of the middle east that tend to not to embrace western and saudi influence.I strongly suspect that ISIS will be armed and directed to attack Iran.
    Perhaps if these 'fearless' fighters were heading for palestine then i would possibly believe their malarkey.
    Even though cameron goes on holiday when the so called biggest threat to the world is in the offing, the population is being deliberately terrified by this beheading etc. And thats what it is designed to do ie scare the people and foster anti muslim resentment at home. Create divisions within the community and you can rule that community with impunity.
    This beheading is as believeable as the white widow farce that pops up now and again. Just to confirm this farce a sunday rag has claimed it has contacted the executioner of foley and did an interview......seriously? Where is the drones for him? Would the editor not have been better off contacting mi6 and letting them take care of him?
    The biggest threat to our well being is on these islands and it isnt from the muslim community its from the terrorists that run the security agencies.

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  9. personally believe it is a black flag op
    Well, IS do carry black flags.
    thats what it is designed to do ie scare the people and foster anti muslim resentment at home
    Wolftone, name politician or commentator that has linked the beheading to Islamic doctrine? They go out their way to say it’s (incorrectly) un-Islamic, infact take any online article about it and try to find the word "Muslim" in it. If what you say is correct, they are not pressing it home.

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  10. I'm with you Wolftone,
    IS were trained in Syria by the CIA and funded by Saudi. And as you correctly pointed out Wolftone how can some tabliod have an interview with Jihad John and his motely crew yet Mi6 and the Men in black not locate him? The white widow the last I heard was she had plastic surgery!!! So in effect they don't even know what she may look like. It wasn't that long ago OBL was the most wanted man on this rock.. He didn't die at the hands of the Seals.. He was dead long before that..Who made OBL a millionaire? The Bush family. Who trained and armed the Taliban to fight the Commies.. The CIA..

    I strongly suspect that ISIS will be armed and directed to attack Iran.

    I'm surpirsed they haven't already...


    Half of the time I don't even watch or listen to the news (or not world news on mainstream media). it's a load of bollicks controlled by very few. They tell you what they want you to believe and most people actually fall for it..


    And thats what it is designed to do ie scare the people and foster anti muslim resentment at home. Create divisions within the community and you can rule that community with impunity.
    The biggest threat to our well being is on these islands and it isnt from the muslim community its from the terrorists that run the security agencies.


    Impossible to argue against that. But unfortunatly the sheeple will vote in the same people time and time again and then wonder why things are the way they are. It wasn't that long ago in history that the Jews, Christians and Taliban got along fine in the middle east...What people have to start to grasp is it's YOU who have the power not the Gov. vote the fuckers out.. Or don't vote. I've said before Belgium worked ok with out a functioning Gov and schools stayed open, benefits got paid, wages got paid, crime didn't rise either...

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  11. DaithiD,
    Go and have a look at 'live leak'... Some of the videos are frightening and graphic and not for the faint hearted..And you'll find God fearing Muslims doing all sorts in the name of Islam...

    Under Sharia law , there are no crimes that specifically call for decapitation, but it is one of a range of execution methods that may be employed, along with stoning or hanging. Saudi Arabia is the only nation that continues to make regular and official use of decapitation, though as of 2004, Yemen, Iran, and Qatar had laws on their books that explicitly allow it.


    Muslim Statistics


    In 13 countries around the world, all of them Muslim, people who openly espouse atheism or reject the official state religion of Islam face execution under the law, according to a detailed study issued on Tuesday.

    The study, The Freethought Report 2013, was issued by the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU), a global body uniting atheists, agnostics and other religious skeptics, to mark United Nations' Human Rights Day on Tuesday.



    A first survey of 60 countries last year showed just seven where death, often by public beheading, is the punishment for either blasphemy or apostasy - renouncing belief or switching to another religion which is also protected under U.N. accords.


    But this year's more comprehensive study showed six more, bringing the full list to Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen



    Daithi, what the press do is interchange the word Muslim and Islam to suit their arguments at the time. Personally I call them the local Taliban. I know the local Taliban from several African countries and they are just as warped as most Catholics I know.. Basically ( I said it before) I've got stoned with them, drunk with them, fixed their lappys and desk tops so they can watch girl on girl porn.. And then every Friday off they go to talk to Allah and say they are sorry for their sins.. But by Friday night they are in the bar standing beside me and eyeing up some girl in a short dress and telling me how great her tits look and thats the married ones..


    UK Police: Merely Watching James Foley Beheading Video May Be an Act of Terrorism.. I don't remember anyone saying the same over Daniel Pearl for example? The whole things stinks to the high heavens...

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  12. Anthony,
    what army in the history of mankind hasn't committed some type of war crime? What about those 3 16 year old kids abducted and shot in the head coming home from school in June? What about Nachshon Waxman who while being held captive by Hamas in 1994 had his fingernails and toenails extracted. I would hope republicans would not support these actions regardless of their feelings about israel.
    Frankie,
    you make a valid point. It's hard to believe this group just came out of nowhere to conquer such a vast territory. I do believe that this guy was beheaded though. Who really knows for sure at this point. But the larger point about Islamic fascism stands. The videos of shopkeepers being whipped for operating during holy days and women being beaten for not properly wearing a veil cannot be all CIA propaganda. Hamas commits the same crimes in the strip. 18 young men executed yesterday for being informers. If they were actually all informers then Hamas has the ultimate crack internal security unit. To unmask 18 touts just one day after those 3 commanders were killed is stunning.

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  13. Ryan,

    most if not all armies have committed war crimes. All the more reason to oppose them when they occur rather than proffer their pervasiveness as mitigation. That is one reason there is a category of activity called "war crime" - that it might be prevented. But the IDF can hardly call itself the most moral army in the world when it has perpetrated war crimes on such a scale.

    War crimes are not any more permissible because they are committed by our side. We might make excuses for them, seek to dilute their severity, cite military necessity but try as we might they are none the less war crimes for that.

    If the reports are correct that an Israeli four year old child was killed by a mortar fired by Hamas at the weekend he is no less a victim of a war crime than any Palestinian child killed by Israel.

    There might be some republicans who support Hamas torture. I don't. There seems to be a general consensus that the three students were not killed by Hamas. That doesn't make their deaths any less wrong. But responsibility should be assigned to those responsible.

    I am always sceptical of claims about large amount of informers having been uncovered. It sounds too much like a show trial.

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  14. Ryan,
    I'm still sticking with my theory about about the James Foley non video... I don't think it happened. And no matter what angle I come at it, IS is a black flag and a red herring/smoke screen created by the CIA and their friends to deflect peoples attention. IS are meant to have hackers, loads of money (some estimates have them making at least 1million green backs per day from selling oil), armed to the teeth and hate Jews and other infdels. Why haven't they taken the heat of Gaza and hit Israel? They can locate the region the non video took place, figure out Jihad John's father was OBL's buddy, read your emails almost in real time with out you knowing but with all the satellites in the air can't find a jumbo that went AWOL a few months ago!!!!

    The whole mess doesn't add up...

    The local Taliban who I know personally are good guys. They'll sit down and debate the bible/Quran etc but they wont chop your head of becasue you don't agree with them.. They generally move the subject matter on to more important issues like football. They are no different to you, me, your next door neighbour .... What the west is doing very sucessfully is making Joe Blogs in the street think that most Muslims are in someway connected to Terrorism (like the British did in England to the Irish disporia at the height of the Provisional bombing campagin)..

    I've no idea what to make of the 18 or so alleged touts who where dragged from Friday prayers and executed in broad daylight...

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  15. @ Frankie & others Re: IS (ISIL Daash) 2014 doco Meeting ISIL by PressTV
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f7_1408633204

    Walid Shoebat (former PLO now a Christian) Just google his name for his site. He states foley beheading did occur - claims on his site he has seen full footage. Be warned his site has some of the worst footage one could ever come across. Shoebat has been round a long time. I am not sure of him nor am I am of Mosab Hassan Yousef (whose Dad is one of the Hamas founders) Shoebat loathes Yousef... Yousef worked as double agent for Shin Bet... perhaps that's why But Shoebat is actually accusing him of taqiyya. Both these men r not bit players in what is going on but who is pulling their strings...
    Yousef has a film coming out this year purportedly to expose Islam and such

    taqiyya (also has other names) practice of denying ones Islamic faith to deceive when they or others are at risk...

    There is so much insanity going on in the world it is increasingly difficult to know what's what. But the witch and the bitch are CIA & Mossad that we all know...
    sin-e...

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  16. Mary, I've Googled 'Walid Shoebat' and the jury is out on him A lot of people claim him to be a fraud Some liken him to a wolf in sheep clothing

    Walid is a convert in his early days to Christianity through his American mother who was married to his now deceased father who lived in Israel for many years where she taught Walid Christianity which he claims no one taught him. He wanted to be an ex-Terrorist to make money, pure and simple because the story sells especially after 9/11. Rabbi Simon personally made trips to Israel and found no terrorist connection of Walid, in fact all the parties that were know of there no one even recognised him.

    He states foley beheading did occur - claims on his site he has seen full footage.

    On Shoebats site he doesn't claim to have seen the video...What it say's is this

    According to forensics experts cited by the UK Times, the video that purports to show the commencement of the James Foley beheading was likely staged. This is not to say Foley is believed to be alive, only that the beheading took place off camera.

    Via AU News:

    The UK Times reported that an international forensic science company, which has worked for police forces across Britain, said there is no question Foley was beheaded but that camera trickery and post-production techniques look to have been used.

    “I think it has been staged,” said one expert in visual forensics, after he was commissioned by The UK Times to examine the footage.

    “My feeling is thatthe execution may hav e happened after the camera was stopped.”

    As to the reasons why they believe the video was likely staged…

    Firstly, no blood can be seen, even though the knife is drawn across the neck area at least six times. Secondly, sounds allegedly made by Foley do not appear consistent with what may be expected.

    The forensic analysis expert said that no incision could be seen on Foley’s neck, though the right hand of the jihadist partially blocked the shot.

    While the forensics company, which asked to remain anonymous, did not reach a definitive answer they did conclude that at some point an execution of Foley did take place.

    Another reason that has been given by others suspicious of the footage is that the entire beheading – with subsequent chants of ‘Allahu Akbar’ – was not recorded.


    Very for from conclusive. I can post direct links to other journalists who have been be-headed by Islamic extremists and are still available online. You wont find one of James Foley becasue it didn't happen. If anyone can point me in the direction of video footage of the be-heading from start to finish I'll be the first to say I called it wrong..

    What both Walid Shoebat and Theodore Shoebat have said they published are three blank youtube videos.. Youtube!!!! Owned and control by the spooks. We both posted links to live leaks.

    I can post a video of the full Daniel Pearl killing but I can't find James Foley? What's the difference and why leave one online and not the other...? Here is a vice news documentary about IS and you'll see decapitated bodies..

    It has black op's all over it... That's what I believe although I'm prepared to be proven wrong..

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  17. Frankie, what if the guy fought back in his final moments ? It wouldn't make for a good propaganda film would it ?
    You seem to have an encylopedic knowledge of these snuff films, what does that do to your soul, devouring the last moments of pain and helplessness of terrified people?(genuine question)

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  18. DaithiD,
    I'll be honest. .. The first time I seen a video of a decapitation it left me disturbed for a few days and shocked me that one human could actually do that to another human. Similar to the photo's of Gregory Burns, John Dingham & Aiden Starrs that I stumbled on years ago on the Cryptome website when I was reading about Steak-knife.. Or the photo's of The hooded men.. I had the same thoughts. My soul isn't in question. I'd question the souls of the people who carried out the acts.

    What I am questioning is why is it deemed ok to leave some videos up online that can be accessed by anyone but none of James Foley? The video that is available every 'expert' on extreme Islam is asking the same questions I am.. I'm not saying James Foley didn't die, I'm saying I don't buy into the line that he died at the hands of Jihad John. The video evidence doesn't tally with other type of decapitations..

    Put into any search engine 'James Foley fake' and you'll see what I mean. As soon as the news came out that he was dead etc, I didn't buy into then anymore than I am now. It looks stage managed. If you were a member of IS wouldn't you film the whole execution and make it available to shock the world? Every-time the powers that be or Google disable one twitter feed they (IS) set up another... The local Taliban who I know personally agree with me that the whole episode doesn't add up and they have a better knowledge of what a be-heading looks like than me.

    It's like 9/11.. Today most people agree that the spooks are up to their necks in it. But at the time the propaganda machine went into over drive and the world (most) thought 19 Muslims with box cutters carried it out. They still spin the yarn a plane hit the Pentagon.. not a video has emerged? The people named as the terrorists on 9/11 at least half of them were found to be alive and kicking in the middle east shortly after the event..

    What they (spooks and powers that be ) want to do and they are doing it very well is to simply sow seeds of doubt in peoples minds that Muslims can't be trusted or be wary of them incase they are linked to some extremist group. Exactly the same to what the British done to the Irish in the 1970's, 80's a 90's during the Provisional bombing campaign in Britain...

    As I said before DaithiD, the spooks can read anyone's emails almost in real time, track who ever they want by satellites, fuck they can record Alex McCory & Colin Duffy allegedly talking in a forest but can't find a jumbo jet???

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  19. Daithi D,
    I think we can't avoid the blatant and subliminal anti Muslim sentiment that pervades today on these isles from politicians via the media. I never knew much about Islam etc until the media began writing all the bad stories coming out of Muslim countries......no good stories mind you.
    I would guess if you asked a youngster on the street what they thought of a Muslim they would probably say they are 'mad bastards' etc due to all the negative bombardment via media. Ironically this 'beheading' tactic may have been copied from fanatics much closer to home when they were attempting to terrify a community during the troubles ie UDA, ginger Baker,Lenny murphy et al? And we all know who was prompting that gang.
    I also think the anti Muslim message is tipping along nicely amongst the bigots re recent hate crimes in the north and Britain. This 'beheading' keeps the pot simmering for the terrorists in mi6 and the CIA ......keeps them in jobs too! Some would even say the spooks in the north are keeping their jobs safe by keeping the pot boiling there too.

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  20. Thanks Frankie,
    Exactly the same to what the British done to the Irish in the 1970's, 80's a 90's during the Provisional bombing campaign in Britain...

    But you presumably agree that there was a campaign directed against the British state, by Irish revolutionaries?

    I'm saying I don't buy into the line that he died at the hands of Jihad John.

    Perhaps their editing is amateurish, and doesn’t fully convey the events it purports to, but to me three things are known :
    1) IS do decapitate people
    2) Foley was a prisoner of IS
    3) The video was filmed around the hills of their Raqqa stronghold
    Its not a leap from that to deduce he was decapitated by them, but also that this will be exploited for its full political & military capital by Western governments.

    On a prior point :
    The local Taliban who I know personally are good guys. They'll sit down and debate the bible/Quran etc but they wont chop your head of because you don't agree with them.

    Ive said before, its wrong to judge a religion by the personal affability apostates.

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  21. Wolftone, you will never see me quote any politician or columnist in my critique of Islam, I formed a view from living in Tower Hamlets for 6 years and Koranic tuition within that. I mentioned finding the word “Muslim” in an article to illustrate a reality that is quite different to one we are told exists.
    Ironically this 'beheading' tactic may have been copied from fanatics much closer to home
    Nope it is in the Koran :
    “I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.” (Sura 8, Verse 12)
    “When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads.” (Sura 47, Verse 4)

    Ive already relayed how the Banu Qurayza Jews met their end too. Now I know you wont make the mistake of confusing old Testament folklore with the unreformed Islam, we both know Christianity is in the New Testament after all.

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  22. DaithiD
    But you presumably agree that there was a campaign directed against the British state, by Irish revolutionaries?

    No. I'd say the RM (includes INLA etc) were returning the serve. I'm not saying that because TPQ is frequented by Irish Republicans. or to gain brownie points or other. I can give you a longer answer of why I think like that if you want.

    1) IS do decapitate people

    America kill innocent people every day (sometimes by proxy) and they along with the UK made the mess..

    2) Foley was a prisoner of IS

    I never said he wasn't held a prisoner . I have said IS are an armed militia of the CIA and funded by Saudi among others. And I don't think Jihad John killed James Foley.

    3) The video was filmed around the hills of their Raqqa stronghold

    Was it?

    Its not a leap from that to deduce he was decapitated by them, but also that this will be exploited for its full political & military capital by Western governments.

    I don't buy into the school of thought he was beheaded.. But I do agree western Govs. will exploit the whole sorry mess for there own ends.

    Ive said before, its wrong to judge a religion by the personal affability apostates.

    And as I said before when I first got to know the local Taliban it was in the Twlight zone and I've had heated 'chat's' with some of them but we both came away respecting each others opinions and I never once felt afraid.. I was the only Irish man surrounded by 300+ Muslims from several African countries.. How many local Taliban have you met and talked to?

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  23. DaithiD
    When you lived in Tower Hamlets did you try to integrate with the local Taliban or engage with them?

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  24. Frankie, I didn’t proactively engage with them, however they regularly leafleted the tube station with virulently anti-gay and anti-woman literature, they used to plaster the area with “Sharia Enforced Zone” which listed the type of acceptable behaviour in this area, which would be laughable until your friends get stabbed and assaulted and put in wheelchairs for life for being identified as gay. I really don’t think you have met the local Taliban, they don’t sound pious or intolerant enough, thankfully the rest wont have to wait long to meet their version of it, then we can all be “racist” together.

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  25. Frankie I went back & checked what had read days ago He did state he had seen full video but then I checked in case I read it wrong & finally found the article Here is link – Shoebat on 20 August 2014 claims to have viewed whole video from ‘middle eastern sources’…. ‘The Full Video of James Foley’s Beheading Has Been Found (The Video The Media Has Not Shown You)
    SHOEBAT EXCLUSIVE
    BY Walid Shoebat and Theodore Shoebat
    (Excerpt & bit I was referring to…)
    The original video was removed but Shoebat.com was able to obtain the beheading from Middle Eastern sources, and thus verify that Foley was indeed beheaded.’
    http://shoebat.com/2014/08/20/fully-video-james-foleys-beheading-found-video-media-shown/

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  26. Mary,
    I read very carefully what Shoebat said...

    The original video was removed but Shoebat.com was able to obtain the beheading from Middle Eastern sources, and thus verify that Foley was indeed beheaded

    It's similar to the story about US Navy seals killing OBL...

    Or the recent gas attack that Assad carried out....

    Why I don't buy into the line that the local Taliban are as guilty as what the west are very sucessfully making them appear is very simple.. I look at what happened during the conflict in the north and extrapolate. I've said several tiimes..every now and then a story comes out that say's the IRA murdered informers ...when we know the truth is it's was British agents who murdered them.

    I'm not saying there aren't some mad Mullahs. I'm not denying that there aren't blood thirsty extremists in IS, Al-Qaeda or any other Islamic group. There are.. but who funded IS & Al-Qaeda? Who trained them...? And for what purpose...?

    @ DaithiD

    I lived with the local branch of the Parisian Taliban for a good 18 mths. When I first encountered them I had my fair share of arguments. I even had a few Somalians chase me until I got to my room and I locked myself in it because I refused to stop eating pork and drinking a beer in a communal kitchen while they prayed. But after a while they came to accept me for being an Irishman who didn't give two hoots for any religion. They would tell me the nonsense that you had thrown in your face about women & gays.. but when their lappy's got VD because they went to a dodgy porn site, I cleaned it for them. And for all their talk in front of their friends about women & gay's ..Most liked watching girl on girl.. I use to look at the cache and they'd say "Frankie, don't tell anyone".. I'd say.." I don't care, you don't have to explain yourself to me"..

    thankfully the rest wont have to wait long to meet their version of it, then we can all be “racist” together.

    I'll tell you who are racist. The Algerians. They'll smile to the Senegalese, Malian, Somalians but behind their backs they'd talk very different. They'd call them names that would make Mick 'Oraganised Rage 'Hall's blood boil.. When I'd say.."Hang on but they're Muslim like you," They'd reply.. 'They're black.." And they despise Egyptians.. What I did see once (about 2yrs ago) I was waiting for a coach in Victoria Station in London.,It was just after 5am and a Muslim takes out his prayer mat and prays directly in front of Burger King.. I was thinking... "Why doesn't he just go several feet left or right, doesn't he know he's probably praying in front of some bacon burger with double cheese"...

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  27. @ Frankie I agree with what you wrote etc…. I too think we r being played… It is all so profoundly evil and insane. My tin foil hat hit the roof a few weeks back…. Read ur link on Shoebat & then went back and looked at his site … Saw this recent article: 'When Christian Militancy Goes Down, Islam Rises (Bring Back The Crusade!) AND underneath it are links to how to be a militant Christian etc Buy the info packs but of course...
    Feel sick to my guts Is Criostai me ach nil amadan. An anonymous comment on one of shoebats articles caught my eye – made me grin - on the mark… Wonder if he read it ;)

    ‘We should actively "accidentally" leak the names of Arab converts to Judaism and Christianity who are active CIA agents’

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  28. Just on cue, the subtle anti Muslim sentiment continues via the bbc news etc concerning the Rotherham 1400 child abuse victims. Although these reports don't mention religion it is pointed out that 'most of the perpetrators have Pakistani origins' hint hint.
    Not taking anything away from the ordeal of these child abuse victims but there are thousands of other kids around the UK who have been abused by people with English origins.......some are even very important people in English society too. But let's focus on the pesky foreigners and better still those Muslim foreigners.
    Some are more evil than others.

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  29. Wolfftone,Those poor children suffered even longer and got no help from those trusted to care for them precisely because of the racial/religious profile of perpetrators.Again the only demographic linking them is omitted,lesson still not learned. Could you imagine the catholic priest scandal omitting the religion of those beasts? It is the police and social services pandering to you, and people like you, that abandoned those children to misery.Your attitude facilitated this.God damn you.

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  30. My attitude never facilitated any child abuse. The royal family does enough facilitating for all of us. Alas we must whisper that quietly for it may distract from the anti Muslim narrative the proles are being force fed. Your attitude permits this one sided, some are more evil than others, to prevail. When you are spitting furious that the British establishment allows,awards,permits and takes art in child abuse, then I will accept you are genuine. Until then you are a typical wolf in sheeps clothing.....ie a bigot wearing a flowery shirt and a smile; )

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  31. DaithiD

    I have just heard the top cop in Rotherham denying culpability for his handling of abuse allegations when he was on the Rotherham council. When he is allowed to play the racist card to worm his way out any wrongdoing says it all really. When people like you are silent on this worming then it facilitates this kind of abuse. Shame on you........god damn you!

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  32. Wolfe tone , you are commenting on a report you clearly don't understand.Only a fool would equivocate and comment about Royal hearsay instead of it's jaw dropping revelations. But then your remarkable lack of critical thinking is perhaps the defining theme of your posts on this site. ps you forgot "Islamophobe" in your smears darling . Mwah

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  33. Wolfe tone , you are commenting on a report you clearly don't understand

    I understood it DaithiD . The powers that be covered up young girls and boys being terrorized by sexual predators and very few heads will roll....

    Only a fool would equivocate and comment about Royal hearsay instead of it's jaw dropping revelations

    Such as Mountbatten was kddie fiddler and was in all probability terrorizing kids in Kincora and other places during the 1960's & '70's and the powers that be wont do anything about bringing the people to book over it and will drag out every inquiry until the abusers are dead...

    Personally, anyone who abuses kids, rapists etc.. thirty years bread and water and once their time is up.. Take them out and shoot them at dawn. I don't care what religion, politically party they belong to or other..

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  34. Frankie, I am glad you do. Its dangerous to read that the attitude that caused this coverup, and led to this review, is now trying to smear the review. In my view Prof. Jay didnt go far enough, why keep refering to “pakistani heritage” males, when in 11.4 p.92 we have :

    She also noted that Iraqi Kurds and Kosovan men were participating in organised activities against young women

    Is there not another demographic that links them? The genie is out of the bottle now, the wolfe tones of this world have had their day, and there is no one left to smear.

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  35. DaithiD,

    What Wolftone said was...

    Just on cue, the subtle anti Muslim sentiment continues via the bbc news etc concerning the Rotherham 1400 child abuse victims. Although these reports don't mention religion it is pointed out that 'most of the perpetrators have Pakistani origins

    You've agreed with him when you correctly pointed out....

    11.4 p.92 we have : She also noted that Iraqi Kurds and Kosovan men were participating in organized activities against young women

    Why did someone bury that fact? It comes across as a post script, kinda like saying "Oh, by the way"..

    Could be wrong but I think the point wolftone is making is why didn't the BBC and others mention the other nationalities involved in the headlines? Why don't they say British nationals where involved in the systematic abuse and cover up of vulnerable children?

    As you said Daithi, people were quick of the mark to say Catholic Irish priests abused and covered up child abuse.

    What I find more than a bit rich is the puppet masters are quick calling everyone who disagrees with their 'War on Terrorism a terrorist, dissident but turn a blind eye to kids being terrorized.. I'd guess because they ( the puppet masters) are up to their necks in it.

    I've a question or three for all you do gooders who covered up (and still are covering up) child abuse. How in the name of sweet fcuk can YOU look at your kids and grand-kids in eye.. How can the wives, GF's, husbands trust YOUR partner when YOU know they've covered it up or didn't do everything within their powers to stop it?

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  36. Frankie, you cant be serious? I couldnt get a more opposite intent or meaning to Wolfetones if i tried, but you will know from your experience of these mysogenists : if you are a kuffar female, then you are trash to them. Thats what this report finds, and its the same story in Oxford, Rochdale, Hyde, Blackburn,Keighly, Oldham,Preston,Bradford,Swansea , each with a police force hesitant to act because they placed racial considerations over childrens welfare considerations. I know the Irish are demonised by the Spook/Media complex, but I dont think that is related to this type of evil, however if they are involved somewhere, its in trying to prevent the truth getting out.

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  37. DaithiD,

    I'm very serious. I wouldn't have said it otherwise. The people who carried out the abuse in Rochdale came to the UK (some illegally) and started or had gotten British citizenship. The people who covered up the abuse where nearly all British social workers, Police officers and councillors. Because some pratt was afraid of upsetting the Muslim community anymore than they all ready are. British authorities stood back and done nothing for years...

    The people who carried out the vile attacks have the same opinions of women in Pakistan. In the sub continant they also treat Muslim women they same way as they treat ' kuffar' women, if they deem them to be of a lower caste, sect, brought shame on the family or other.

    Thats what this report finds, and its the same story in Oxford, Rochdale, Hyde, Blackburn,Keighly, Oldham,Preston,Bradford,Swansea , each with a police force hesitant to act because they placed racial considerations over childrens welfare considerations.

    And what racial consideration are they going to put on Kincora, Elm Guest house etc....?


    I know the Irish are demonised by the Spook/Media complex, but I dont think that is related to this type of evil, however if they are involved somewhere, its in trying to prevent the truth getting out.

    It's very much related, maybe not directly linked..but very much related. Westminster are covering up child abuse. And I'll go out on another limb and say sections of the media know more than they are saying.. Could be they don't want to jeopardize court cases..Could be they are afraid incase the dirty tricks dept go into over drive and frame them for something they didn't do ...

    Why did Dave Cameron try to keep Patrick Rock out of the headlines???

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  38. Daithi d
    I am not smearing any report into child abuse what I was simply pointing out is the general relish with which the bbc and other British inspired media report bad news and its regular hints at it being a Muslim trait. Whether its the 'Trojan horse' schools or 'be headings' or child abuse its good to paint it as a Islamic trait in the eyes of the media.
    I don't recall the same outrage when a report was released a year or so ago when loyalists in co Down were doing a similar thing as what was reported in Rotherham ie taking young girls out of care institutions and plying them with drink and whatever and abusing them, and the kids 'carer's' knew what was happening. This is happening all over Britain and the north but it surely can't all be Pakistanis carrying out these acts?
    As for the 'hearsay' concerning the royals and their paedophilia chums, well I am flabbergasted. Almost as flabbergasted that they are so silent on their connections. I am sure if those Pakistanis had the resources that Betty and the duke had then perhaps their dirty deeds would be 'hearsay' too?
    I will make my point clear- the Brit media is diligently fomenting anti Muslim sentiment amongst the British public by lies and deceit sprinkled with the odd fact, simply to pave the way for future conflicts/interventions in foreign lands. A kind of softening up of the population by hardening up the propaganda.

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  39. I don't recall the same outrage when a report was released a year or so ago when loyalists in co Down were doing a similar thing as what was reported in Rotherham

    Probably because Mark Harbinson was a PSNI informer etc... Can't broadcast stuff like that across the pages of The Daily Telegraph or the BBC.. Those stories are confined to a one off spread in the evening edition of the local Belfast Telegraph..

    Wouldn't be good PR.. Imagine telling the world a child rapist working for the spooks in the newly reformed RUC..... Sounds better to say " Muslim sex ring etc...."

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  40. DaithiD ,
    I'm having a look at the Belfast Telegraph online and I came across this piece..

    Former Rotherham police officer charged with child sex offence

    A South Yorkshire Police officer who was previously based in Rotherham, has been charged with a child sex offence, his force confirmed on Thursday.

    Daniel Cookson appeared at Leeds Magistrates court on Thursday accused of causing a 15-year-old girl to engage in sexual activity.

    The 27-year-old was arrested in November and charged on 21 August. However, South Yorkshire Police did not release the information until Thursday – days after a damning report into child sex abuses in Rotherham was published.


    Why didn't they release the information at the time? Again my guess is it's not great PR. And they try to bury the truth and stories they don't what the public to read...

    If the police, social workers and political elite were allowed to be investigated properly by an outside independent body.. They'll all be found to be part of the same hypocrisy .

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  41. the Brit media is diligently fomenting anti Muslim sentiment
    Wolfe tone, still searching for a reason not to engage with the report aren’t you? You are not a dissenting voice in this, you have assumed the establishments position fully and you don’t even realise it.

    Frankie, South Yorkshire Police, they of Orgreave and Hillsborough fame, says it all. I am sure the spooks are trying to subvert these child abuse allegations against the establishment. That Lord Carlisle affair recently was most certainly in their tradecraft, the media chatter was brought to a crescendo, then in the space of a few days the main alleger against him changes his certainty on who abused him, and writs are issued, closing down the topic for the long term.

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  42. ps frankie, I think you will at least read this incredible, in depth report on the grooming gang phenomena :

    "Easy Meat" – Multiculturalism, Islam and Child Sex Slavery

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  43. News flash!! Cameron has ratcheted up the tension for his own people by upgrading the so called terror threat. Why the need to warn/frighten the British public is anybody's guess. Surely his security forces have phones? Anyway if you are feeling uneasy at davys alarmist statements always remember it isn't his fault, its those pesky Muslims. Cos Davy really cares for you's. tough love?

    Daithi d....I think you are missing the point. When people in positions of importance are allowed to escape culpability by using the racist card then they shouldn't be in the job. From our humble experience here in Ireland the English are masters at deflecting blame from admitting responsibility for anything.
    From what I can see, the Rotherham scandal is being deflected from a point of total ineptitude,neglect and possibly worse from the authorities who were meant to deal with these allegations unto the easy target of 'fear of being accused of racism' bullshit ie I am good at my job but those pesky Muslim/foreigners have intimidated me, oh poor me. This narrative makes everyone happy especially Davy and his puppetmasters in Whitehall cos it suits their over riding agenda. Tony Blair the 'middle east peace envoy'(stop laughing at the back) would be proud of Davy Tory and his cabal.

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  44. Wolfe tone, maybe they are plotting another 9/11 to blame on innocent and peaceful muslims, and this is the cue for the attack !!? Lets ignore the Koran and Islamic precidence and inhabit your world, the real ones complicated and gives me nosebleeds.

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  45. Daithi d
    'The real ones complicated'? By your narrative the world is black and white. Muslims are bad the British are good. Muslims are savages and the British will teach them manners. Muslims are child abusers and the British are.....oh wait, I see what you mean.

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  46. Wolfe tone, Oh my Allah ! You reveal so much about yourself when you present the false dichotomy of British or Muslim. There is no such thing as British Muslims?

    And on this note, I declare.

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  47. I think you will at least read this incredible, in depth report on the grooming gang phenomena

    I tried but at least 114 files went AWOL!!!!! What we know is at least 40 UK politicians complicit in alleged Westminster 'pedophile ring.. . If jimmy Saville abused at least 400 kids on his own, and . the Rotherham scandal... uncovered at least 1,400 kids were abused. I'd hate to do the maths in the numbers of kids that have been abused by Westminster.

    People can try score political points all they want but child rape is exactly that.. Child rape. I don't care if it's priest, politician, the local Inman, police, social workers... etc Any one who either rapes and abuses kids and or covers up their family members abuse, works friends etc.. Well we know what I'd do with them.. Thirty yrs bread and water and then shot at dawn..

    Maybe some of Henry Joy's neuro-psychiatry friends would be better employed if they looked at why some people are hot wired in to abusing kids than trying to tell people how and what they should think. Maybe it's a DNA/ genetic fcuk up some people have..

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  48. Daithi d
    'There is no such thing as British Muslims?'........not in the eyes of the WASP-white Anglo Saxon Protestant, as you well know.

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  49. the irish muslims in the south circular road in dublin have 'mosc ath cliath' on the outside of their mosque (which was once a presbyterian church). tiocfaidh ar allah.

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  50. Daithi d wouldnt like this read as it doesnt obey his narrative.....


    http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/08/30/the-mysterious-rotherham-child-abuse-scandal/

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