Sandy Boyer outlining what Radio Free Eireann is bringing to its listeners this weekend.
Radio
Free Eireann will cover Martin McGuinness and the Queen with republicans on
both sides of the border on Saturday April 12.
Paddy McHugh, a
singer-songwriter from Brisbane, will be with us live in the Brian Mor
O'Baoghill Studio in Rocky Sullivan's of Red Hook 34 Van Dyke Street in
Brooklyn.
Radio Free Eireann is heard Saturdays from 1-2 pm New York time on
WBAI 99.5 FM and wbai.org on the web where is archived for
10 days.
Sandy should do a piece about his gallant fight for irish freedom in New York...it would probably be more entertaining than listening to him taking swipes at the people who have led the struggle in Ireland , through war and in peace!
ReplyDeleteMac Tire,
ReplyDeleteSorry, didn't realize you weren't allowed an opinion, if you weren't active or born in Ireland. Sandy does a pretty good job highlighting the sinn fein treacherous agenda. There is no doubt that people involved with sinn fein were committed volunteers however their decisions from '94 onwards are what history will judge them on.
are you on drugs mac tire.
ReplyDeleteGrouch
ReplyDeletetoo much sherry in the Windsor 'punch' bowl.
David - I find it hard to tolerate the opinion of anyone who are quick to judge those who put their necks on the line when it mattered while they sat back and did nothing. I used the New York reference to highlight this reality, although I am equally repulsed by the cowards here in Ireland who never got involved when the going got tough but who now shout the loudest whenever the chance arises.
ReplyDeleteThe struggle is far from over and they will be judged on how things pan out over the next couple of decades, as will the critics who tell us the sinn fein strategy is wrong. Someone will end up with egg on their face.
Grouch - no.
ReplyDeleteSandy should do a piece about his gallant fight for Irish freedom in New York...
Here's an idea Mac Tire, why don't you pen a piece for TPQ and tell the readership what was your party piece for the 'war effort'..............
No Frankie I couldn't do that, we have all seen how Anthony's other project panned out for those who decided to discuss their own particular 'war efforts'!
ReplyDeleteMac Tire,
ReplyDeleteWhat exactly is sf's strategy? They encourage republicans to tout on other republicans, they grovel before our oppressors, the stand for the tyrants anthem, they legislate British law and British order in the occupied six counties, they amend articles 2 and 3 of the 26 county constitution basically saying it has no say in the six counties, pandering to unionists, where is the strategy here? i don't think it is possible to make any more concessions.
Mac Tire i am trying to have an intelligent debate but my anger's letting me down, i mean what strategy? do you think that mass murdering sociopath old Lizzie is going to say in 50 years time ooh you Irish have been behaving i will give you your country back! is that your strategy? ffs what are you talking about?
No Frankie I couldn't do that, we have all seen how Anthony's other project panned out for those who decided to discuss their own particular 'war efforts'!
ReplyDeleteMac Tire,
During the war (late 80's early 90's) my friends and myself were involved in what today is called cross community relations. And we didn't get paid for it. We didn't care if the Rockabilly or Punk came from a Republican or Loyalist area. We were only intrested in getting Teenage Kicks....That was the extent of my war effort (building trusts & friendship across the political divide)
As for the Belfast Project. It still is the best option for people like me to understand what happened between 1968-1998. And PSF are trying to stop the truth coming out (probably because they have too much to lose if the truth was told today). And the PSNI don't want the truth out for the same reasons. I also personally believe Martin McGuinness was and still is a British agent (and he didn't step down from the A/C until the mid 90's). There was way too many funky things happened in Derry. The PIRA & INLA deliberatly run down. The Frank Hegarty story is a case in question. When he joined the PIRA there was more than Chinese whispers about his bona fides, yet Martin McGuinness said he was to be trusted?? I don't think Gerry Adams is (or was) an agent. I believe he was comprimised in some way by British intelligence (I think Mi5 or other knew about his peadophile father and exploited it (similar to what they let Cyril Smith get away with). I'd hazzard a guess that when Gerry Adams went into Clonard Monastery for secret meeting Mi5 had the place bugged (includes confessional boxes) I've a fuuny feeling that Scap said to Peter Jones, Ian Hurst "What about Gerry Adams. How do I circumvent him" and Scap's FRU friends simply said "Don't you worry about Gerry. We are already two steps a head of him.."....
Again Mac Tire what was your part in the war..? You could change names to protect the innocent or talk in the 3rd person. I seriously doubt if anyone is intrested in names...(I'm not, I'm happy with letters)..
No David she won't say that because in 50 years the old fucker will be dead. Sinn Fein's strategy is to continue to grow electorally until they are leading parties on both sides of the border, then they will seek to improve Irish society north and south and in doing so show unionists that the connection with England is purely cosmetic and offers nothing, while reunification with the south is beneficial. Then they will call for a border poll or a vote for independence, then campaign like hell to get it over the line. This is a rough understanding of the Sinn Fein strategy as I see it. It is based on what I have read and heard and is my interpretation from reading between the lines. Don't worry David when the time comes for the independence vote we will need every Republican and his granny out hitting the doors and campaigning for votes regardless of their particular republican persuasion so we could be on a canvass together yet!
ReplyDeleteFrankie I never had a part in the war. That is why you will never see me cast scorn on those who, after years of battle, decided on going down the political route. Nor, incidentally, will you see me cast scorn on those who continue down the physical force path. That being said, I may voice my opinions on how futile I believe such a course to be but will never personally attack someone for pursuing such a course.
ReplyDeleteI will also continue to point out the hypocrisy of those who never stepped into the fire when it mattered but who now feel justified in attacking those who did.
Now that you have outlined the extent of your own war effort I look forward to reading your future comments on this site.
Mac,
ReplyDeleteI'm not attacking former provisionals who unlike either of us, were prepapred to put their lives on the line and some paid the ultimate price for. What I am trying to figure out is why the leadership ( at least certain member of the republican leadership) were still talking about the ballot box/armalite policy in public and encouraging young Irish men & women to pick u a gun and kill, while all the time going behind their backs and looking for a way out.
Why didn't the leadership tell the foot soliders of the provisionals in 1986/87 that they were secretly suing for peace...
Why don't you talk about that hyprocisy...?
hey mac tire, just for ur information, there are people in america who have been framed for murder by mi5-fbi for gallantly fighting for ireland and speaking the truth about genocide. good on you sandy, you dont let begruders annoy you i hope.
ReplyDelete" That is why you will never see me cast scorn on those who, after years of battle, decided on going down the political route." ur not talking about gerry the non-combatant guerilla leader there anyway . lol.
Frankie I am not qualified to talk about events that happened in 1986/7 as I was a baby at the time.
ReplyDeleteGrouch I am obviously not talking about Gerry Adams as he was never in the IRA. Despite other peoples assertions that he was, I am glad that you and I can agree on the point that he was a non combatant.
Mac Tire,
ReplyDeleteI forget my manners; welcome to the Quill I doubt we will agree on much but none the less it’s always good to hear another voice.
Just curious why SF will wait to improve conditions on the Island as you point out to David why the uncertain long wait for improvement?
Certainly for some in SF improvement has been made through substantial financial gain speaking of which when the British axe falls on the north’s working and unemployed class are we to consider that as improvement forcing people into deeper debt and to look for imaginary jobs?
I sincerely doubt the SF leadership along with the unionists would view the connection as purely cosmetic and if it offers nothing then why, is SF now an integral part of the British machine.
It would be difficult to dispute SF have and continue to use cosmetics in order to cover up their fatal flaws and go beyond the point of necessity when they go into overkill trying and lying to make their party more attractive.
It would be great to believe SF held a solid strategy but they are more apt at winging it to the point now they make the unionist look like socialists.
Back in the 70s the struggle was far from over a few decades later we witnessed the SF backed surrender of the RM.
Now you say in a few decades this imaginary strategy will leave some with egg on their face which amounts to a few decades after that then we will be on our way.
It seems that SF is content to sit on their arses and wait and if anyone asks the answer is don’t worry it’s in the bag we only need a few more decades to iron out the fine print.
In the grander scheme of almost 800 years of British misrule of the Island what is a few more decades
That is a frightening prospect that your party seeks to become the largest party on the Island it reeks of fascist undertones (not the punk band from Derry that Frankie referenced) I have heard that from other SF people.
A nightmare for democracy is what that over ambitious plan is the makings of a fascist party and their need to rule by numbers to mask their ineptitude.
Like me the leaders for life will be gone in a few decades and with a bit of good fortune the party will return to the people and actually strive to make the standard of living better for the people a reversal of making the standard of living better for the party.
I am not qualified to talk about events that happened in 1986/7 as I was a baby at the time.
ReplyDeleteWhats your opinion on bloody Sunday or bloody Friday or the shoot to kill policy? What about the second world war, the 1916 rising...The killing of JFK or the Africian-American slave trade during the 17th & 18th centuries? I'm sure you have opinions on those events that happened before your time..
The question I asked is, Gerry Adams and a very select few of the republican movement were talking to the British about bringing the conflict to an end in 1986/87 while at the same time using young Irish men and women as catte fodder. And you can't see the hyprocisy in that? Or offer an opinion. Can't you think for yourself or are you told what to say & think.
Mac, you said you have frequented TPQ before as a reader then you must have read former Provisional and former INLA volunteers give their truths. Why don't you take on board what they said happened (they were there, we weren't, so I think they ought to know). What I see is anyone connected to PSF today are trying to re-write history (like the British Gov. always do).
Again using your logic about not being able to offer an opinion or talk about events that happened before your time; How do you know Gerry Adams wasn't a memember of the PIRA? I believe he was for the simple reason there are too many former provisionals laughing at him when he say's he wasn't involved. In the recent documentary Billy McKee said "Tell Gerry to come here face to face and tell me that he wasn't a member of the PIRA (before he sided with the provisionals he was in the OIRA). So republicans who grew up in the same streets as Gerry, associated with him, socialized with him...Spent time in prison with him, helped formulate the long war strategy with him are all liars and he (Gerry Adams) is whiter than white?
Am I to believe that every investigative journalist who studied the conflict, examined documents, spoke to former combattants and wrote about the the conflict called it wrong by saying Gerry Adams was a member..????
Tain Bo thanks for the welcome, much appreciated. Sinn Fein are not waiting to improve conditions, but they are, like all parties in all countries in the world, limited to an extent by the size of their party. Particularly in our case in the south. If we can grow there, as I predicted rather confidently we would on the other page, then that will be of major advantage to us and we will be able to change things for the better in the south.
ReplyDeleteOK Frankie I'll give you an answer. In most cases when a country regains it's independence it is through political agreement. Now you can cite cases like Vietnam where the Americans were literally driven from the country but this was not a viable option here, although a Tet style offensive is documented as having been planned at one stage. In that case, the purpose of the IRA was to "force the Brits to the negotiating table." The volunteers were not used as cannon fodder, they took part in forcing the British government to accept that a considerable portion of people in the north wanted freedom and also wanted to be treated as equals! Had they not fought then the nationalist community would still be living as second class citizens. Many of those who fought and were cannon fodder in your eyes are now members of Sinn Fein, so they disagree with your assertion. Let this fact answer your question.
ReplyDeleteI think the young people being recruited into physical force republican groups at the minute could certainly be described as cannon fodder. They are being used in some sort of symbolic gesture of resistance rather than because their leaders believe that they can really free Ireland through armed struggle. This is the sad reality, and it wrecks me when I see someone scooped when there is a safer, more efficient alternative on offer.
And no I don't instantly believe the personal truths of IRA or INLA men and women who wrote on here or anywhere else for that matter. This applies to veterans on both sides by the way. Their truths is just that, "THEIRS." It is not THE truth, it is only their version. That being said I respect their opinion and the actions they decide to take either way and again to reiterate I don't think either of us is in any position to criticize.
I don't know if Gerry Adams was in the IRA or not but I have not been presented with any evidence to say he was. There is no evidence other than allegations, hearsay and speculation and people offering 'their truths'. Maybe you should think for yourself instead of taking everything you read and hear as gospel.
Mac Tíre said...
ReplyDeleteOK Frankie I'll give you an answer. In most cases when a country regains it's independence it is through political agreement. Now you can cite cases like Vietnam where the Americans were literally driven from the country but this was not a viable option here, although a Tet style offensive is documented as having been planned at one stage. In that case, the purpose of the IRA was to "force the Brits to the negotiating table." The volunteers were not used as cannon fodder, they took part in forcing the British government to accept that a considerable portion of people in the north wanted freedom and also wanted to be treated as equals! Had they not fought then the nationalist community would still be living as second class citizens. Many of those who fought and were cannon fodder in your eyes are now members of Sinn Fein, so they disagree with your assertion. Let this fact answer your question.
I think the young people being recruited into physical force republican groups at the minute could certainly be described as cannon fodder. They are being used in some sort of symbolic gesture of resistance rather than because their leaders believe that they can really free Ireland through armed struggle. This is the sad reality, and it wrecks me when I see someone scooped when there is a safer, more efficient alternative on offer.
And no I don't instantly believe the personal truths of IRA or INLA men and women who wrote on here or anywhere else for that matter. This applies to veterans on both sides by the way. Their truths is just that, "THEIRS." It is not THE truth, it is only their version. That being said I respect their opinion and the actions they decide to take either way and again to reiterate I don't think either of us is in any position to criticize.
Mac Tíre said...
I don't know if Gerry Adams was in the IRA or not but I have not been presented with any evidence to say he was. There is no evidence other than allegations, hearsay and speculation and people offering 'their truths'. Maybe you should think for yourself instead of taking everything you read and hear as gospel.
What we have here is a McIvor MKII.
I don't care if this one can string a sentence along more fluently his message is the same Sinn £ein bullshite.
You'll get no welcome here from me.
Mac Tire,
ReplyDeleteThe lie that if it wasn't for sinn fein catholics would be second class citizens is nonsense to me. For one the struggle was about reunification was it not? and if you take away the justification of liberation for physical force then it could be argued that violence delayed equality could it not? Therefore if sinn fein objective was equality why the decades of violence?
In most cases when a country regains it's independence it is through political agreement.
ReplyDelete... Now Spock would say...
I don't know if Gerry Adams was in the IRA or not but I have not been presented with any evidence to say he was. There is no evidence other than allegations, hearsay and speculation and people offering 'their truths'. Maybe you should think for yourself instead of taking everything you read and hear as gospel.
So what about Gerry Adams truths...(which we know to be lies), singing the 'bright side of life', Being in prison when Jean McConville was killed? Is that the type of truth you want me to take as gospel Mac? I don't take everything I read as gospel. I never have Mac. But if you do a bit of research you'll discover that Gerry Adams while in the cages and admitted he was a member of the PIRA in a comm (fact). He then realised he made a 'gaff' and every other comm he penned after used the name 'Brownie'.(fact)..I have also tried several times to get a comment published on his blog and everytime they weren't published. And I 've asked him the same questions I'm asking here, (go and contact Gerry Adams and ask " Has 'frankie' every tried to get a comment published on your blog? And why didn't you publish it?" ) I have also tried to do the same on this site. Same story, no reply
ReplyDeleteAnd no I don't instantly believe the personal truths of IRA or INLA men and women who wrote on here or anywhere else for that matter. This applies to veterans on both sides by the way. Their truths is just that, "THEIRS." It is not THE truth, it is only their version[***.] That being said I respect their opinion and the actions they decide to take either way and again to reiterate I don't think either of us is in any position to criticize.
Again I'm not criticizing former Provisonal or INA volunteers. I don't have right to. But I can ask questions. Here as question that goes around my grey matter from time to time Mac.
Raymond McCartney in 1980 went 50+ days on hunger strike for political status among other things. Who now has a job within PSF and a reasonable income. Gerald Hodkins goes on hunger stike several months after for the EXACT same reasons and today is slandered in newspaers as the Pablo Escobar of West Belfast because he enjoys having a joint!!!!! I don't see anyone (very few) members of PSF offering him help or support.
Where is the difference between the two? Both were prepared to starve themselves to death for Irish republicanism. And Raymond McCartney is 'looked' after whith Gerald Hodkins is sidelined.. Doesn't add up.
I think the young people being recruited into physical force republican groups at the minute could certainly be described as cannon fodder. They are being used in some sort of symbolic gesture of resistance rather than because their leaders believe that they can really free Ireland through armed struggle. This is the sad reality, and it wrecks me when I see someone scooped when there is a safer, more efficient alternative on offer.
You may be right on the 'cattle fodder'.. But today PFR aren't suing for peace. There is no evidence of any of the leadership within modern day PFR talking behind volunteers backs. While on the other hand when the story emerged that members of PSF were talking they didn't say to the rank & file.. "Fella's put down your guns and lets see what is on offer*". They let the 'cattle fodder' feed the conveyer belt.. Shankill Road bombing in .93 is a classic example.
And what was eventually offered was less than was offered in Sunningdale.
***Remember Brendan Hughes wanted his truth out while very much alive but was persuaded not to by Anthony & Ed Moloney.
yes mac tire, he was a non-combatant guerrilla leader. the only one in recorded history. lol.
ReplyDeletehahaha brilliant Frankie. I have read and listened to some excellent justifications for armed rebellion in my life and I have even used some myself but never in all my born days have I ever had Star Trek cited to me as undeniable proof of the effectiveness of armed struggle. Very funny a chara.
ReplyDeleteGrouch what can I say, Gerry is an innovator.
mac tire
ReplyDeleteGerry aint no innovator, he's a paedo 'facilitator' yer getting yer 'ators' confused.
If PSF is trying to unite the island.. They are doing a very poor job of it.. Alienating many, driving a move to a political arena to solve the problem, but locking out others from stepping into the arena with them..
ReplyDeleteIt's a strategy that has lead them to larger electoral success.. But if this mythical border poll ever happens, do they expect people to back the vote and trust them after this kind of behavior ?
Grouch what can I say, Gerry is an innovator.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he is Mac. But what we both know is this he tells un-truths.
Why did he claim to be in prison when Jean McConville was murdered? Why did me say he hadn't a clue where Liam was, when he knew exactly where he was? Why did he embarrass himself about singing songs that weren't penned at the time?
Using those three examples, how can I buy into Gerry Adams line that he was never in the PIRA...? Is he telling the truth or is that another porky?
I'm glad you liked the Star Trek bit. That clip was banned in UK because it mentions PRF helping to unite Ireland in 2024. When I seen your line about political change, I remembered Patrick Stewarts line...
Frankie
ReplyDeleteHow are you able to post links to other websites in your posts, is this a special privilege that you have on this blog or can anyone do it?
Max, it's using basic HTLM. If you click here you'll find an explanation..
ReplyDeleteIn the example they give in the letter box, simply delete every thing within the quotation marks and copy/paste the URL you are 'linking'. And where it say's 'here' put in the text you want..
(hope that makes sense)...
Cheers Frankie
ReplyDeleteIt's just something which looks pretty useful when highlighting a point and I will eventually get round to using it someday.
Frankie I never had a part in the war. That is why you will never see me cast scorn on those who, after years of battle, decided on going down the political route.
ReplyDeleteFair enough comments Mac..Can you explain why PSF didn't help a former comrade (Gerry McGeogh) who decided to 'go down the political route'.. The minute he did and started making noises and asked questions, expose the lies and liars with PSF, he was locked up and told to shut up and was sent Maghaberry Prison to repent for his sins. They (PSF) jumped through hoops of fire to keep John Downey out of prison??? What about the untouchables (Fionnuala, Dixie, Gerard & Anthony) who came through the battle with scars and didn't go down the political road? Is that why you tried to pour scorn on Fionnuala when you said.
Really Fionnuala? You may or may not have been a competant soldier (I have no idea) but I can say with authority after the statement above that you have all the political awareness of a turnip!
This is a woman who in 1981 tried as best as she could help a friend & comarde hold it together knowing her friends fiancé was dying in prison defending Irish republicanism.. As for the rest of the untouchables they were locked up in the Hblocks watching on helpless as 10 of their friends and comrades died in pursuit of Irish republicanism. Gerard was on the hunger strike...These are they caliber of peope who you are going to hold account because they don't tow the party line. I bet they are quaking in their boots (like the rest of TPQ-ers..
Nor, incidentally, will you see me cast scorn on those who continue down the physical force path.
That's not party line of thought Mac. Martin McGuinness reckons today's PFRs are traitors etc.. Your party leaders are always asking Joe Public to inform on PFR activity to the PSNI. If you had information about PFR activity would you inform Mac..? Because if you don't 'tout' then you aren't towing the party line and that makes you a dissenting voice within PSF....
I will also continue to point out the hypocrisy of those who never stepped into the fire when it mattered but who now feel justified in attacking those who did.
So far Mac you have attacked serveral former republican volunteers who stepped into the firing line. No one else has. Can't you see the hypocrisy in what you say...Or what your leaders are saying today? Why is it easy for your party leaders to justify the Provisonals & INLA killing British troops, plant 'up and unders', under UDR mens cars, wak up behind RUC officers and whack them but when ONH, CIRA, IRA carry out the same operations today using the same M.O. they are scum?...
Not a single person has been implicated by Sinn Fein for PFR activity.
ReplyDeleteThe question you should be asking is, how many people have been implicated by touts working for MI5 in these PFR groups?
And as for dissenting voices...well we have seen where they have got us. Another two women arrested today in connection with the murder of Jean McConville. How much is that now? 6 people arrested for it I think.
Open your eyes Frankie. Despite my "if you had brains you'd be dangerous" swipe, you seem like an intelligent person, if a little naive.
Park your anti-Sinn Fein bike for a minute. Look at the lack of activity in the PFR groups since their inception and also think about why 6 people have been arrested in connection with Jean McConvilles murder. Think for yourself, critically examine the evidence at hand and come to your own conclusion. You should not be using this site as a reference point any more than you should be using Gerry Adams blog! Trust your eyes and ears, keep an eye on the newspapers and watch the news (which is also biased of course) and see what is going on around you. Also if you are living in Ireland look around your local community and see who is delivering the best for the people. Is it Sinn Fein, is it another political party, is it the PFR groups or is it the regulars on the pensive quill?
And finally if you want a united Ireland become active. If you are simply a hobbyist with a passing interest in Republicanism then enjoy the rest of your time here and good luck.
How many former RUC officers have been held to account for murder, How many from the British army?
ReplyDeleteThe question you should be asking is, how many people have been implicated by touts working for MI5 in these PFR groups?
Personally I'd say very few. I reckon most have been comprimised because of technology. Several month back Mac, a poster called "it'sjustmackers" (who I hope is feeling better) made an excellent post and it went like this..I'm paraphrasing him.."Many moons ago when the conflict was in full throttle and there a bomb exploded or one was found before it went off, the RUC/Army would come in and maybe seal off a few houses or a street for a few hours and deal with it. And as soon as possible life went back to 'normal'. Today for one blast bomb they evacuate streets sometimes for days on end
He concluded that the PSNI, Army Tech guys etc were simply planting listening devices left right and center and a few days later another unexploded pipe bomb would 'turn up' in the same area and again the same streets evacuated and the devices recovered and examined. I'd hazzard a guess and say thats exactly what happens today...When I was a pup and bombs went off, whole streets were not cordoned off. Enta Drive in 1977 is one example of many I could give.
Despite my "if you had brains you'd be dangerous" swipe, you seem like an intelligent person, if a little naive.
Maybe I am Mac. But not as naieve as you. You told me PSF didn't stop the interface violence in Ardoyne during the 80's because they (PSF) were at war...
Also if you are living in Ireland look around your local community and see who is delivering the best for the people.
Why don't you enlighten not only myself but the good people from Ardyone and explain exactly what dividends the GFA & SF has done to improve the lives of the people who live in North Belfast. I can't see any....
You should not be using this site as a reference point any more than you should be using Gerry Adams blog!
What are you trying to say Mac. That what I read here on TPQ I shouldn't believe and to take what your party leader say's with a pinch of salt? Are you saying don't use Gerry's blog as a reference.? Does that mean you think he's economical with the truth? Where do you suggest I get informed Mac.? I can't post on republican.ie. Everytime I have tried to sign up, they refuse my submission. Danny Morrisons blog is as closed as your mindset and Gerry wont reply to any of my questions..
And as for dissenting voices...well we have seen where they have got us.
Haven't we just...in 1986 Ruairi O Bradaigh said this about the road dissenting voices would lead to. If you watch and listen to the speech he was pleading republicans not to dissent and to stick to republican principals.. So don't come on here and lecture me about dissenters.
As for your cheap shot about the arrests over the death of jean McConille. I don't remember reading about any investigation into her death prior to a few years ago.. In fact a year or three ago I thought there was an investigation and said so here then a poster said "Frankie, there wasn't any and the then RUC couldn't give fcuk about Jean McConvilles disapperance and the socical services cared even less.."
Then your party leaders name got thrown into the mix and all hell broke lose. If Gerry has an alibi then why doesn't he produce it. We know he lied about being in prison at the time of her death and that one didn't hold much water.....
Cheap shot? Frankie I bet ya if you were to make contact with one of the six people arrested recently and asked them what they were asked by their interrogators, the common theme in all their interrogation would be Gerry Adam's alleged role!
ReplyDeleteYou convince yourselves that the Brits are targeting dissident republicans and leaving Sinn Féin alone. I reckon that after hearing the scurrilous and dangerous allegations leveled against Gerry in the Belfast Project, the Brits smelt blood and targeted Ivor in the hope that he was disgruntled enough to implicate Gerry. When he didn't break they moved on to the other five who came to their attention because they either gave interviews to the Belfast Project or were implicated by others in the project. I think they have tried to break all six people to give confessions, which they would then use as leverage to get information on Gerry in exchange for lenient sentences...or just hoped that one of them would implicate Gerry because they are at odds with his politics.
Just out of interest Frankie, would you like to see Gerry Adams arrested and imprisoned for the murder of Jean McConville?
Just out of interest Frankie, would you like to see Gerry Adams arrested and imprisoned for the murder of Jean McConville?
ReplyDeleteThe short answer to that question is no. I've said before here and else where that for pre 1998 murders no one goes to jai (Republican, Loyalists and State Forces). But if they are guilty they simply admit their guilt and it's recorded on their 'rap sheet' and they are alowed to continue with their lives. But the way things stand in the six counties today if he is ever arrested, charged and found guilty he'll end up in Maghaberry for at least 2yrs..(my understanding is the McConville case doesn't come under the same remit as other trouble related murders<--stand to be corrected)
John Larkin said this The people who should be getting history right are historians, so in terms of recent history, the people who are making the greatest contribution are often journalists.
Anthony McIntyre I since found out said this in a Radio Ulster interview in March 2005 "historians, writers & academics are the best chance to uncovering the truth.." or words to that effect. Since then a lot of people have used the same line and the same school of thought...Pity the powers that be don't take it on board.
Your last line reads......or just hoped that one of them would implicate Gerry because they are at odds with his politics.
It's not that I am at odds with his politics. I don't understand them. For talk sake PSF become the largest party in the 26 counties and formed a Gov. by themselves.. How are they going re-introduce articles 2 &3 back into the Irish constitution? What if the electorate say "Nahhh, don't need the hassel Gerry, thanks all the same for asking" . What then?
Frankie you say;
ReplyDelete"I've said before here and else where that for pre 1998 murders no one goes to jai (Republican, Loyalists and State Forces)"
So does that mean you think that those involved in killings post 1998 should go to jail?
You also say;
"Your last line reads......or just hoped that one of them would implicate Gerry because they are at odds with his politics.
It's not that I am at odds with his politics."
I wasn't saying you were. I was talking about some of those arrested recently on the back of the Belfast Project. I think u may need to read my posts more carefully because this isn't the first time you have picked me up wrong. For my part I will try to make my points as clear as possible. Articles two and three are still in the Irish constitution, they have been amended.
The plan is to show the people of the north that they would be better served in a united Ireland. One of the main counter arguments to this, used by unionists, is to point to the state of the south since the collapse of the celtic tiger. It is up to Sinn Fein, if they take power in the south, to try to turn the fortunes of that part of the country around thus eliminating one of the few arguments the unionists have. If Sinn Fein can convince a majority on both sides of the border to vote for unity then they will get it. This is what is promised in article 3 and also in the belfast agreement.
So does that mean you think that those involved in killings post 1998 should go to jail?
ReplyDeleteThe answer to that question is no also. A lot of who you call 'dissident repubicans' are in prison today simply because they dissented from provisionalism not because the are involved in PFR. In another thread you'll find I gave you three of many dissenting voices who were locked up because the didn't tow the party line..In fact Martin Corey may as well be in prison (he probably had a lotmore freedom while in Maghaberry).
A few posts earlier you made a quip about me quoting Judge Youngs assement of the Belfast Project and tried to defend your point by throwing in diplock courts. If your party leder gets arrested & charged over Jean McConvilles murder he'll in all likely hood been in front of a diplock judge that your party signed up for when they accepted the policing and justice bill among other things. Wether articles 2 &3 are in-out or have been ammended PSF still have to sell the idea to the 26 counties first. and that isn't going to be as easy as typing a few keystrokes on a laptop or other..
is up to Sinn Fein, if they take power in the south, to try to turn the fortunes of that part of the country around thus eliminating one of the few arguments the unionists have
If you honestly believe that one of the main reasons why the majority of PUL-ers don't want a 32 socialist republic is for a few sheckles more then you haven't listened to what unionists are saying. They don't want to be part of a united Ireland becasue they see themselves a British first and foremost....
If Sinn Fein can convince a majority on both sides of the border to vote for unity then they will get it. This is what is promised in article 3 and also in the belfast agreement
Good news for you (bad news actually) every opinion poll I've read the vast majority of the people in the six counties at present don't want a united Ireland. Go into the vortex (google) and check them out yourself. And you still haven't told me how PSF are going to convince either side of the border that unity is better than division. Whats the plan. Or is that classified info. Are PSF once they get into power going to take back the six counties piece by piece like Russia is doing in the Ukraine today?
Go and ask some of the posters who live in west Belfast what do they think of Gerry Adams stint as MP of the area...
lets leave Gerry alone for the moment and I'd like your opinion of three members of PSF who I also have problems in understanding where they are coming from ( don't give me party policy or other but your thoughts as an individual)..
ReplyDeleteCllr McIvor
“I don’t know who is behind this,” he told the Mail, saying he had been wrongly connected to the name ‘Michael Henry’.When asked if he would be seeking legal advice over the online allegations linking him to the suicide comments, Mr McIvor said ‘there’s little point, as I don’t know who to go after’.
Now a few weeks before on TPQ he wrote this review (check the dates) .
Now lets have a look at two other members of PSF who's reasoning I cant get my head around. Recently Dee Fennell asked John O'Dowds dept for bus passes so his children don't have to travel to and from school up and down the Shankill Road. Dee Fennell was told no.
This is the very same stretch of road where recently Mairtin O Muilleoir feared for his life. The very same road that An phoblacht/Republican news (the same paper that you sold as a pup) reported
The march was led by four military-style jeeps driven by men, some wearing balaclavas, and flying the union flag as well as the flag of the disgraced Ulster Defence Regiment - notorious for its collusion with loyalist death squads.
Gerry Kelly is quoted saying "Sinn Féin North Belfast MLA Gerry Kelly says the Orange Order and political unionism need to explain the incident:"
(Gerry would let your kids go up and down the Shankill)
I'll' throw in to the mix this and this
Now in 2001 young catholic school girls in the same area had to put up with untold venom and hate for months trying to walk a few yards along an interface area to school..
I'm not interested in what PSF policy is Mac but your opinion as an individual...
What do you think of a PSF Cllr making sick jokes about the brutal murder of Paul Quinn, Telling lies to a journalist and poking fun at the families who have lost a loved one because they took their own life?
Would you run the risk of sending your children up and down the Shankill Road, twice a day, five days a week????
I don't care who Michael Henry is to be fair. I had read a while ago that he had made an unsavoury comment about people who had committed suicide and if this is the case it is despicable, regardless of who he is.
ReplyDeleteI sympathise with Dee struggling to get his children to school in the morning. I imagine that rather than John O'Dowd personally knocking Dee back, you will find that he was probably refused due to rules that exist that pre date John O'Dowd. The same rules concerning living outside a three mile radius existed when I was in school, and my parents had to give me bus money or I walked.
No I wouldn't send my kids down the Shankill and I wouldn't have walked them past that filth during the holy cross affair either for that matter. I would buy them a Translink pupil pass which is probably the most affordable option outside of the free pass. I don't say this to be flippant towards Dee or anyone elses dilemma and I also am not making light of the tough decision parents took during the holy cross incident. You asked for my honest answer and that's what I would do.
Frankie I don't suppose you know how Michael Henry got to write that piece by the way? Is it by invitation only or time served on the quill or what? and are those of us with Sinn Fein leanings only permitted to write reviews and the like? I only ask because I have this great idea about a piece critiquing "dissenting republicans" for want of a better phrase. I'd put the name "censor offender" to the test alright!
ReplyDeleteI'd imagine like anyone who has had an article printed on the quill they simply submitted it by contacting TPQ (top of the page where it says contact). If an article appeared somewhere else that interested Anthony or Carrie they asked for permission from the author to carry it .
ReplyDeleteIf I was you Mac, I'd use another word term other than dissident republicans in your piece. The provisional movement dissented in 1969 when it was formed and dissidented again at the 1986 Ard Fheis. And again in 1998 by signing up to what Brendan Hughes caled the Got Fuck All agreement...
I'd put the name "censor offender" to the test alright!
Stop being agressive Mac. You've proved you are capabe of rational thinking by understanding Dee Fennells and others plight, and aren't afraid to criticize grass root members of PSF by calling Cllr McIvor's comments despicable..Personally I've only had to re word one comment on TPQ because I explained how to do something unethical with a computer and it could have landed not only the TPQ but myself in hot water....