Suicide Narrative Makes No Sense

TPQ frequent commenter on Tain Bo, guest writing a piece reflecting on comments that appeared in respect of Paddy Joe Crawford.

I can appreciate the naivety or reluctance to look beyond the action of suicide and reduce it to an act of cowardice. If only it were that simple. Far from being an act of cowardice it is usually driven by a multitude of forces that in most cases end in the loss of life. The act of suicide goes against the mind's own natural defensive mechanism that being its ability to survive and cope by staying on par with adaptation.

When a force overrides one's internal instinct to survive then obviously it is a more complicated matter rather than just a convenient, easy way out. In the daily struggle to survive life and circumstances can be overwhelming. For some this creates a mental disconnect which in itself is a method of coping with whatever emotional stress or barrier it cannot work through.

The physical stresses mixed with the physiological-psychological, along with the emotional and chemical influences that naturally occur internally add on the external factors of social environment, family environment and the ability to establish and create personal relationships etc … there is a great deal more to navigating through the minefield of life in general than just waking up and going into automatic mode.


Some accounts seem to ignore the devastating mental anguish and physical pain suffered by those with suicidal tendencies. Especially amongst the younger generations who might act up a bit and whose parents or parent may not have the coping skills to deal with a teenager’s angst which in turn may lead to the parent out of sheer frustrations becoming angry at the child and saying things out of anger such as “you are worthless”. One of the more common mistakes is parents actually telling a child they are tired of hearing the threat of they will kill themselves. After the fact the parent reflects, wishing they had not said 'go ahead, do us all a favour and kill yourself.' Amongst other things, in other words, telling a child they no longer wish to deal with them or more appropriately do not know how to help them.

This more personal rejection only heightens the child’s rejection. And when heard from what should be a guiding force in their life that they are worthless, it only enhances the already deep isolation they feel.

And any amount of rejection coming from a loved one or an authority figure parent, relative or any adult they look up to only validates their lack of self-worth and evokes greater confusion in their already fragile state of mind.

It is wrong to opt for the easy way out by describing them as cowards. The reality being they are victims of a society ill equipped to deal with the countless many suffering from one form of clinical depression or another.

Much of the same applies to older people who for whatever personal reason decide they have nothing to offer and see ending their life as a way or a means not to inflict pain on their loved ones but in confusion to eliminate the burden they feel they place on their family.

It is by no means curable but with the proper treatment and effective support base for those in danger certainly the numbers could be reduced. And by removing the social stigma that comes along with psychological problems that also would help as parents would more likely seek professional help for problems far beyond their control or understanding.

I am no stranger to suicide. I have lost a few good friends to it along with one close friend who attempted suicide by running and jumping through the window of a three storey house, smashing into the small garden which along with the urgent medical treatment probably saved his life.  A few years on I had the chance to ask him why his answer was as simple as day and night. After a long day and night drinking he returned to his mother’s house along with his brother. All seemed well until the alcohol fueled a family argument: he was told to go to bed or get lost and go to his wee flat.

All he remembers was feeling misunderstood and made his way upstairs to sleep it off. By the time he opened the door he was seeing red and made a bolt to the window and went straight through and has no memory after that.

His mother and brother,although sitting in the front room didn’t hear a thing, too inebriated to notice. It was a neighbour who heard the noise but couldn’t see anything from his doorstep yet could hear the faint moaning. When he looked he found my friend which saved his life.

Obviously the booze fueled his disconnect, enraging his own disappointment that his girlfriend and taken off with the kid as she had had enough.

In his case the aftermath is just as tragic. The damage done left him semi-crippled and a life time of pain medication: and worse, a return to a heavy dependency on booze that helps dull the pain. Sooner or later with that lethal mix and no real psychological support from psychiatrists his end is almost guaranteed to be sad and tragic.

There is always a reason. It just may not be noticeable and usually people suffering from psychological problems are apt at disguising them. A few years back my nephew took his young life. He was by no means a coward: a very bright extremely intelligent youngster. He was doing well for a time and was fortunate to be under psychiatric care.

In the months leading up to his death a problem arose as he was nearing the age of 18 and his case worker could not place him in the juvenile wing but insisted to his mother that he would be facilitated in the adult wing when he turned 18. His mother’s protests fell on deaf ears and my nephew was pretty much left out on a limb. The system that he relied upon failed him and as a result he found his own way out.

Obviously I can’t divulge the depth of personal conversations he and I had but I can assure you he covered in detail the pain he felt, understanding the trauma his affliction would have on me, his Granny, his mother and his friends.

You see, suicide is a subject that not only interests me but it is also something I do running battles with when dealing with my own suicidal tendencies. Does that make me a coward?

The effects are both physical and mental. There are days that run into weeks where every fiber in my body aches and my mind floods with a torrent of uninvited desperation that becomes incapacitating and the only false peace arrives in the form of a quiet desperation of ending it all just to relieve the constant pressure.

It is unexplainable but very real and misunderstood. It is not the idea of ending one’s life but the thought that the pain and mental anguish will no longer eat away and destroy a person.

Can judgment be passed on those that passed by their breaking point and for whatever reason decided to end their own suffering?

The young lad in the cages, one commenter seems to believe, fitted the criteria for suicide - which sounds like a load of bunk. Would those he shared daily life with in very confined conditions not be aware of his emotional distress? Would they not have tried to assist the young lad and take him under their wing? Explain how not one of those POWs would not have noticed or heard this young man in a hut hanging himself?

The suicide version makes no sense. Beano Niblock is more honest and not only highlights another brutal murder of a young loyalist lad but also the violence by the screws. So brutality was the rule not the exception.

Beano also mentions that Scap was the O/C. Given his reputation I doubt he would lose sleep sanctioning the murder of the young lad and passing it off as a suicide. The above is speculation on my part but I think any place we find Scap there is good reason to dispute the Provo narrative.

41 comments:

  1. was he oc of paddy joe crawford's cage, not sure

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  2. Tain Bo,
    This is a fascinating piece and a very personal piece.
    We are all guilty of detachment at times. Wrapped up in our own world and thoughts we tend to adapt an ' I'm all right Jack ' approach.

    Since the ceasefire, there has been a serious breakdown of community.
    Years ago, people cared about each other and looked out for each other, now that has practically diminished.
    Lack of cohesion leads to people feeling left out and out on a limb.

    So sorry about your friend and young nephew,. The most upsetting thing is knowing that people sit and in a lonely place decide this is their only way out, tragic.

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  3. TB asked...

    "Explain how not one of those POWs would not have noticed or heard this young man in a hut hanging himself?"

    Because some POWs had accidentally seen others hanging him and what they saw likely ensured their lips remained sealed lest the same fate befell them.

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  4. TB,

    welcome with your first piece for TPQ - although you are a long time commenter. And what a poignant piece it is.

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  5. Great article Tain, suicide takes so many - I've lost two cousins and several friends, one of them a best friend, to this awful illness. I can't see it any other way than that those who go through with it are so far through and feel so much pain they just can't see any other way

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  6. Grouch,

    I have no idea I was going by Beano Niblock’s very honest and enlightening narrative from his own personal experience and recollection of the time.

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  7. Nuala,

    Thank you for the kind words coming from you that means a great deal to me.

    I completely agree with your observation once upon a time we used to have that sense of community were people did for the better part look out for one and other.
    Now in that strange sense community was somehow lost or rearranged beyond what we remember.

    On a lighter note I did get a laugh with your “I’m alright Jack” as I haven’t heard that in donkeys years.
    Again thank you for your kind words and understanding.

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  8. Anthony,

    Thanks for carrying it as you know I was happy enough to post it as a comment as I intended but the chief made the better judgment call considering it worthy of an article.
    I can argue against a lot of things but not against wisdom.

    The original article was heart wrenching and for me personally the suicide narrative was literally sickening.

    I recall back in the 70s doctors would handout valium like smarties and if you read down the very long list of side effects it’s no wonder a lot a people ended up with long term mental health problems instead of just a bad case of shakes after a bombing or shooting.
    Nowadays a lot of the suicide cases could have been prevented and can be prevented with the proper treatment and basic support system.

    The stigma still abounds unfortunately and the NHS is a mess unable and ill equipped to handle the high volume of people with mental health problems.

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  9. Dixie,

    your words add even more terror to the senseless murder of a young POW at the hands of his so called comrades and obviously via Mickey Henry the Provo narrative is still considered truth in reality basic common sense applied easily shatters that myth.

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  10. Sean,

    I am sincerely sorry to hear that this illness has robbed so many lives close to you.
    It is not something I wanted to understand but something I learned to hold an understanding of and the reality is the extreme pain gets crushed with anguish which in turn becomes a silent torment that eventually leads to a complete disconnection usually resulting in the all too familiar tragic loss.

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  11. Don't know about other peoples attitude towards wakes and funerals but I find it as awkward as fcuk going to the wake of a person who as committed suicide and having to shake hands with the relatives and not having the words except ' sorry for your loss '-the last thing them familys wanted or needed was to find a son or daughter hanging in the shed- I think those death wanters think they are to important to live-

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  12. Another tangled mess of a comment from michaelhenry above. If I could work it out I'd reply....

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  13. Tain Bo,
    I think people would appreciate this heartfelt piece from you a lot more than anything I would say.

    'I'm alright Jack' was one of my ma's saying, especially when some one from Sinn Fein appeared on the TV.
    When it was Adams on the telly, she would say turn it up until we hear , 'I'm alright Jack.' when it was mc Guinness she would say, 'turn it up until we hear no point in half a sell out. '

    Michael Henry,
    'Death wanters' I have friends who suffer from depression who would knock you into another dimension if they heard that.
    Then when I explain your a Sinn Fein councillor, they would say, 'enough said.'

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  14. MichealHenry

    Perhaps you might read Cantopher's book, Depressive Illness: The Curse of the Strong then you might actually realise how wrong you are.

    Clinical depression involves the complexity of the limbic system, which if impaired can be every bit as real as a broken bone or appendicitis or ailment of any other part of the body.

    Evidence shows that teenage males can swing from feeling ok to actually commiting suicide especially if there are any accelerants involved, like alcohol or drugs. Cantopher asserts that clinical depression or depressive illness are not mild or transient disturbance in emotion or mood. As Tain Bo says above "It is wrong to opt for the easy way out by describing them as cowards. The reality being they are victims of a society ill equipped to deal with the countless many suffering from one form of clinical depression or another."

    You seem to fall squarely into the ill-equiped category with your 'death wanters' comment.

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  15. Correction: "... teenage males can swing from feeling ok to actually commiting suicide with a narrow window of 20 minutes"

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  16. Mickey,

    the people who strain to live with a mental illness don’t wish for death just as anyone who died during the conflict or anyone that died as a result of a bad accident didn’t wish for death.
    Since I have my own problems do I fit into your “death wanters” don’t worry Mickey it is not contagious.
    What is the difference a wake and a funeral is a sad event under any circumstances most have no problem paying respect to the deceased and offering a few words of consolation for the living family.

    It is a natural cycle of life that one part of dying we try to keep on the backburner for as long as possible. Is it your own fear of death and dying that promotes your barely coherent bravado?

    Do you feel powerful insulting young very confused children who die as a result of mental anguish and from a health service that is not equipped to help all these youngsters?

    The “death wanters think they are too important to live.” So basically when you show at someone’s funeral you lie to the bereaved family and offer false condolences.

    Perhaps, you could be part of the solution and not the problem by encouraging your fellow friends in SF to highlight the problem through awareness and encourage people to keep an eye out for kids in danger.

    You are usually selfish in you criticisms but this one tops all then again within reason it is probably because you are too important to die.

    Wise up Mickey if you fear the subject that is one thing but there is no need to insult the dead or their families who struggle enough with unanswerable questions.

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  17. It is pretty obvious any individual who wrote the 4:02pm,6th Jan comment is either a heartless moron who revels in other peoples pain, or they are a rather childish provocateur.

    I understand why AM does not ban him, but that does not mean the rest of us should engage with him, as he never brings any thing to the table which is worthy of democratic debate..

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  18. Tiarna,

    that is a frightening statistic

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  19. Organised Rage,

    the comments by Michaelhenry, crude and disagreeable to most as they are, nevertheless reflect an opinion that exists out there and which needs brought into the open where it can be dealt with. The people who engaged with him here have in my view destroyed his argument. At the same time for those who feel his view is both beneath contempt and engagement, they can give him a wide berth.

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  20. AM

    He is the type of provocateur who enjoys pulling wings off butterflies just to see how people respond to such cruelty. Why? because he finds it amusing.

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  21. Mick,

    he might well be but the argument exists and it is best overcome by the type of response that has appeared here. The amount of times I have been confronted with the attitude that suicides are all selfish is worrisome. Ignoring such an argument does not silence it. I doubt if he will reflect but others might

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  22. OR

    I agree that Mickey at times goes overboard in my opinion it is best to respond to him with questions on the issues which he has no answer for.

    He is just more of a nuisance and likes to try and wind people up. He does in a sense take advantage of the Quills open policy that aside all he really ends up doing is embarrassing himself and his beloved party.

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  23. McDickhead said: "I think those death wanters think they are to important to live", if that was the case, there'd be no SF "leadership" left. By the way, McDickhead, going by your line of reasoning, does that mean that Bobby Sands and his comrades were "death wanters"?

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  24. On a similar note (sort of), I saw on the text and the news the other night that "police", "politicians" and "community groups" came together to try to tackle the issue of car crime in the lower Falls (again). We were treated to a video of death riders speeding up and down the Falls Road. The quote that jumped out at me was the one on BBC text that said: "This has to stop before someone is injured or killed"! Are they taking the piss? Watching and listening about it, you'd think that this was a new phenomena that just came out of the blue on New Years Eve. I know a guy who lives in the area and he assures me that it happens every week-end (and during the week). Let's have a quick look at the facts, the RUC/PSNI are actively recruiting the thugs involved in these activities as touts to inform on "dissident" Republicans, the aforementioned "politicians" would have been made up of mostly SFer's, who are telling people to tout on "dissident" Republicans and the concerned "community groups" and "workers" are, what's that old word now, oh yes, inextricably linked to SF. Honestly, you really couldn't make this shit up!

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  25. Belfastgit-

    Only a dissident like you and a unionist think /say that the
    Hunger-Strikers committed suicide when they died despite them trying their best during that protest to stay alive-taking salt in their water is a example where those Volunteers tried to stay alive as long as they could-but some-one like you can not see the difference-

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  26. @ MH - Stop trying to use swings and roundabouts to get around your original crass and ignorant comment.

    Hungerstrike by its definition is a fast with death being one way that it could end and we all know those men and their comrades before them didn't make these decisions lightly. They knew they faced a certain death - they willingly knew their actions could cause their own deaths.
    So by your own logic these men would have been "death wanters".

    No one stated that these men committed suicide - they were your words alone.

    (btw drinking salt water won't stop you dying when you are on a hungerstrike - or is that the party line now that we are all aware how they facilitated the deaths of the these men?)

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  27. The amazing thing about michaelhenry and his comments are that he's a sitting councillor.

    He has gloated that 'dissident' groups haven't killed many Brits or cops, even in the Irish News/ 2006. (Thats how I was able to link Michaelhenry to SF'S Michael McIvor of Cookstown)

    He mocked the brutal murder of Paul Quinn and now refers to victims of suicide as 'death wanters' yet there is no outcry from anyone in the media.

    Could you imagine the media outcry if any politician in any other political party North or South made such repugnant comments online?

    Yet Michaelhenry aka McIvor seems for some reason to be given a fool's pardon?

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  28. By the way his full name is Michael Henry McIvor...

    As Michael Caine would deny saying but blames Peter Sellers for saying he said...

    ‘Not a lot of people know that’

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  29. Dixie,

    The fools pardon is part and partial in the collective sense of jesters that qualify as councilors.
    I know little about him but hear he spends much time in computer land stabbing and jabbing at anyone who is not aligned with the party.

    You do raise a very important issue as the media should investigate not just him but others who reap the rewards of their position and yet appear to spend more time on the internet than a youngster.

    I am sure the families in his district who have lost a loved one through suicide would be none too pleased if they read his senseless brutal comments.

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  30. AM
    In previous posts you described MH as a decent sort. In light of the above mentioned comments that have been attributed to MH, do you still consider him as the decent sort?

    Nuala Perry
    Given your post at 8.01 6th Jan above and specially given previous posts where you stated you were glad to have MH in your corner, can I ask you to reconcile these conflicting posts for the benefit of people like myself?

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  31. Dixie,

    I am fond of Michael Henry, but I think you are completely right to expose these comments and the countless other insensitive/stupid remarks he makes online.

    I find Michael an enigma really. From our discussions on TPQ and FB, Michael would be well aware of my lifelong battle with severe mental illness, but he has always been respectful towards me no matter how harshly I berated his pro-SF gibberish. There is certainly a decent side to the man and, like Anthony, I would vociferously oppose censoring Michael or anyone else for merely expressing an opinion.

    That said, as someone who lost his grandmother to suicide and who has been suicidal many times himself, I have to say I'm a bit hurt by Michael's latest outburst.

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  32. McDickhead, No, you are the "dissident" as you and your party ditched any vestige of republicanism years ago, you and your party are also unionists seeing as your crowd are administering Brit rule in Ireland and are the lap dogs of the DUP. As Aine said, don't try to turn what you said round on anyone else, you were the one that used the word suicide, not me. To me, you are a moron with the attention span of a goldfish, just shows the dregs that SF have been taking in for years.

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  33. Alfie,

    about sums it up.

    Eddie,

    good to see you back. He is becoming harder to defend but Alfie's opinion would be broadly reflective of my own. But I don't think it would take too much to change my mind on the matter.

    One of the more unsavoury elements here is the degree to which the harsh sentiment expressed by Michaelhenry seems to exist. I have come across it so often.

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  34. Anthony,

    "The comments by Michaelhenry, crude and disagreeable to most as they are, nevertheless reflect an opinion that exists out there and which needs brought into the open where it can be dealt with. The people who engaged with him here have in my view destroyed his argument. At the same time for those who feel his view is both beneath contempt and engagement, they can give him a wide berth."

    This is the crux of the matter, isn't it? In my experience, far too many self-professed liberals in Ireland possess the same censorious zeal as the Bible-thumping traditionalists they replaced. The censoring of ideas that mainstream society deem obnoxious is utterly illiberal, not to mention very dangerous in practice. If we're going to go down that road, we might as well outlaw Islam, Catholicism, and evangelical Protestantism.

    The best way to deal with bigotry and other idiocies is to expose them to fierce public scrutiny. It is a damn sight better than having a censorial elite decide what is appropriate for the rabble to talk about.

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  35. Eddie,
    You don't have to bother lifting pieces of what I say and asking me to explain.
    Too be perfectly straight, I'm fed up listening to it.
    I said what I said and that's it.

    Belfastgit,
    ' you couldn't make this shit up'
    Sometime ago I had the misfortune to work in that area and you couldn't make it up.
    Some shops in that area have doormen due the the level of robberies and general anti social activities. Some of these shops are a few hundred yards from the Sinn Fein centre. The IRA as in, before the ceasefire IRA claim to run that road.
    They sit in the local bars with these hoods and gangsters and it is something to see.

    Alfie,
    I was thinking about you through parts of that discussion. You have emerged the bigger person as has Tain Bo and all the rest who came to the discussion with dignity.
    You were gracious during provocation and that is the mark of a bigger person.

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  36. Tain Bo,

    This is a powerful, insightful article which skilfully teases out the causes and contexts of suicide in our society. Kudos.

    Indeed, I only got around to reading the piece fully this evening because I was blindsided by Michael Henry's "death wanters" remark, which I first read about on Facebook, as well as the subsequent fallout here and on FB. For that, I am sorry. This is a terrific piece which deserves more serious consideration than Michael Henry seems to have given it.

    Anyway, well done and best wishes for the year ahead.

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  37. Alfie,

    It is a very good piece by Tain.

    Dixie addresses the Michaelhenry issue tonight in a separate piece which he has already put out on Facebook.

    But your earlier point holds good - we have to deal with people who think differently rather than censoring their views. People have the right to hold whatever view they want on anything and others have the right to ridicule, rubbish and destroy those views.

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  38. Alfie,

    Thank you for the generous consideration I had mentioned to you a wee while back that it was good to see you again and something to the effect that I understood your personal struggle.

    Although I face many of the same demons that afflict you my article arose out of the very chilling account of the mysterious circumstances in the death of P J Crawford.
    One that the much appreciated narrative of Beano Niblock shines more light towards the mystery and in my opinion is believable unlike the Provo narrative of suicide that probably will go unanswered forever after all it was long ago and well buried out of the way.

    The article was more about highlighting the very serious risk that faces some of the younger generations but does not ignore the older generations.

    It was difficult to pen as I do my own battles with my own demons and I understood it would awaken more.

    Although Mickey detracts from the issue he is not alone in that particular brand of thinking whether it is out of fear or ignorance or a combination of both he does add to society’s problem as do they who align themselves with such a callous attitude.

    Apart from that I think it was received well and highlighted the issue of mental health.

    There is no need for an apology in a sense his remarks backfired and unfortunately those that agree with him indirectly added to the subject in a sense keeping it on the burner for awhile.

    Thanks again and my best wishes to you for hopefully a happier and healthier new year.

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  39. Tain Bo,

    "Although I face many of the same demons that afflict you my article arose out of the very chilling account of the mysterious circumstances in the death of P J Crawford."

    Indeed, you are right. I was simply focusing on the consideration you gave to the wider societal phenomenon of suicide, whereas you were also making the point that the PIRA claims about Paddy Joe Crawford's death are very dodgy indeed.

    I've just read a short article about that poor young man on Ed Moloney's blog. Is there any conceivable political cause worth taking a vulnerable young comrade into a prison hut and hanging him there? Surely there are some means that no ends can justify.

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  40. Alfie,

    The main crux was pointing out the very real symptoms that mental illness has on people.
    The chilling story of P J Crawford is beyond sad as you point out his vulnerable state and who knows if the man actually was suffering from depression which is probable.
    This would have been noticed by his comrades and more so by those who I believe took advantage of his life and delivered him a lonely brutal death.

    There is no justification and the only type of people that would accept its ends are those like Mickey Henry.
    I don’t know if you have had the chance to read Beano Niblock’s contribution A View From the Boards which speaks about a similar brutal death meted out to some young loyalist lad accused of being an informer and also points out the brutality meted out by the screws so the entire environment was ruled by brutality.
    Which at the time was common outside the jail were Paramilitaries enforced their own brand of justice not just on those they believed guilty but those they suspected might be guilty of betraying their code of silence.

    Sadly it is 2014 and mental illness is still viewed by some as an act and not a very debilitating mental and physical condition.

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  41. I had no idea that a month and 2 days after I wrote this that I would return to read the article again.
    Perhaps, in a sense I was hoping that I didn’t write about my good friend and his attempt at suicide.

    “In his case the aftermath is just as tragic. The damage done left him semi-crippled and a life time of pain medication: and worse, a return to a heavy dependency on booze that helps dull the pain. Sooner or later with that lethal mix and no real psychological support from psychiatrists his end is almost guaranteed to be sad and tragic.”

    The pain killers, anti depressants and the booze caught up with him and for 5 days he lay dead in his bed before anyone found him.
    It is with that sinking feeling of guilt that I felt the need to close out his short narrative on the Quill.
    There was a little solace as he died in his sleep I also found out he held a great fear of psychiatrists as their quick fix was to send him to ward 10.

    It is strange how much he disliked computers and although I know he wouldn’t mind me mentioning him it just seems so out of place that I briefly shared probably the worst time in his life and then sadly his death on TPQ a place he never knew existed.

    It is far removed from the good friend I remember before whatever snapped in his mind and remained so even through his on and off bouts with the drink.
    Even though my thoughts were on the subject of suicide and my words about my friend were not in malice or a criticism of him.
    Under the sudden circumstances I can only feel the guilt and remorse and sadness at the loss of a life long friend.

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