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| Cartoon by John Kennedy |
At that time, a group of us in the leadership of Sinn Féin had been engaged for sometime in trying to pull together the strands which would ultimately become the Irish Peace Process.
Gerry Adams and John Hume had been the public face of these efforts.
The objective we had set ourselves was enormous and, for many, it seemed an impossibility.
The terrible events of October 1993 could have resulted in our efforts collapsing.
Those involved in attempting to build a viable Peace Process could so easily have walked away.
Thankfully, they didn’t. The terrible cycle of violence had to be broken..."
— Martin McGuinness, Stormont micro minister —who played a leading role in what he now terms..."The terrible cycle of violence..."
This is what he was telling the IRA and the rest of the world...
Now, from Ed Moloney who was scorned when he wrote that Adams was secretly seeking peace while publicly agitating war ... Clearly here he is referring to McGuinness:
"....He also played a part in the more tragic death of IRA informer Caroline Moreland, a 34 year old woman from West Belfast whose offence was, so I have been told, to betray an arms dump containing a single rifle. (Maybe if she had just said that it was an act of anticipatory decommissioning she would have lived. But she didn’t.)
She was killed in July 1994 just a month before the first peace process, IRA ceasefire was called. When the Army Council met to decide, inter alia, whether to confirm her death sentence, IRA and Sinn Fein leaders were faced with a dilemma. Her offence was relatively minor and the war was about to end, so what the hell, maybe she should be spared. But if the leadership let her live then it would have sowed suspicion in the ranks of those in the IRA who still believed the leadership line that the peace process was merely a tactical device to wrong foot the Brits and not a plot to go constitutional. The dissidents-in-waiting, if you like, would have been needlessly alarmed.
And so poor Caroline Moreland was given the thumbs down by those seven men in a room. There was a brief discussion on how to handle her killing. One person suggested that she be disappeared, that is killed, her body dumped in a secret grave and lies told to her family about what had really happened. Who came up with the idea? Well, put it this way, it wasn’t Gerry Adams.
The idea was dismissed by one figure on the Council, someone who was aware that the whole issue of the disappeared of the 1970’s might well return to haunt him and that it would be foolish to add to that problem. And who was that? Well let’s just say it wasn’t Martin McGuinness.
The point about all this history telling is this. Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness played roles in the development and selling of the peace process that was a little akin to Mutt and Jeff, the good cop, bad cop routine. Adams was the good cop, whose role was to interact with John Hume and be the public face of diplomacy in dealings with governments, the White House and so on. McGuinness’ role, a suitable one since he had the active service record and Adams didn’t, was to be the bad cop, to reassure the IRA grassroots that there would be no sell out while he was running Northern Command and that if Martin backed the peace process then there was nothing to be worried about..."
IF ALLOWED, THEY WILL BURY THE TRUTH JUST AS SURELY AS THEY DISAPPEARED PEOPLE ...
Dixie-
ReplyDeleteStill the fox crying about the big bad wolf-
Looks like some are more offended about caroline moreland getting one behind the ear for making sure the brits got IRA weapons than the movement insuring the brits never got their hands on a bullet or a ounce during decommissioning-
Dixie Quotes what Martin McGuinness
says in 2013 then shows us a video of what Martin says in 1985 during the war-the last brit soldier-the last cop were killed by the Provos in Derry-yet that fact is not a problem for a few who still see a war there-idiots-
" clearly here he is referring to McGuinness "
Clearly ED is then to yellow to go to the police with his evidence-unless he is helping to cover up what he refers to as murder-
Not a good week for journalists-a BBC member jailed yesterday for child rape-a editor of a paper named in court yesterday for cheating against her husband during the four and a half hours that Ross taped Dixie for a interview-which other journalists helped cover up these offences for years-
"If allowed, they will bury the truth". Nothing surer Dixie.
ReplyDeleteThe old adage about truth being the first casualty of war holds true.
So what's the extent of the casualty's injuries? Are they superficial or serious and life threatening?
Those of us who have invested in the project of The Irish Republic will find it challenging to be objective in any such assessment. We all have our prejudicial filters and our blind spots. I certainly have my biases. I can't imagine how challenging it might be for those that were 'on the blanket' to set aside the betrayal visited upon us by Adams, McGuinness & co and arrive at any sort of objective appraisal for the possibility of survival of accuracy of account and truth.
Despite the efforts of Anthony & Ed, The Pat Finnucane Centre and many others I'm of the opinion there's very little hope of recovery for the causality who now hanges on by the slimmest thread.
A pessimistic prognosis some will say. And that's fair enough, people are entitled to express an opinion but where's the evidence in our culture and history that truth will prevail?
Rather it's sanitisation or demonisation with truth rarely getting a look-in!
The ultimate betrayal of the republican cause was the sacrificing those six brave men to die needlessly and horrifically on hunger strike,everything else that followed was just a walk in the park for that shower of bastards,who bought the brit line that they were international statesmen when in fact their ego,s and sense of duty was matched only by their counterparts from Whitehall where these carpetbaggers now happily pitch their tent,
ReplyDeleteMarty,
ReplyDeleteDev left the Republican Movement to follow a constitutional path and in his Machiavellian way gave his 'republican party' the militaristic title Fianna Fáil (soldiers of destiny) Then allowed Republican hunger strikers to die.
Adams on the other hand let the hunger strikers die before exiting the revolutionary movement.
Is there much difference?
Henry Joy when you look at as you have pointed out a cara there isnt a bee,s wing between them,their use or misuse of other peoples total loyalaty gives grist to the mill to that old definition of a politician who is someone who would gladly lay down your life for the love of their country, the video of Mc Guinness in Dixie,s post backs that up ,its do as I say but not what I do.Martybroy set the benchmark for treachery in that clip ,pity he didnt receive the same.
ReplyDeleteHaving just read Richard O'Rawes Afterlives digital cover to cover on a long flight, I am still amazed at the dignity shown by those on this blog who sacrificed through conflict, prison protest and hunger strike. The betrayal felt by themselves and for those who lost their lives in the struggle must be overwhelming at times or maybe even most of the time. I cannot imagine it quite frankly.
ReplyDeleteThe truth always sets you free and perhaps it is those who are now sitting in British institutions and serving the very institutions they sought once to destroy who are now in prison. The prison of lies, betrayal and subterfuge - one that only being truthful with oneself can begin the process of parole. Ironic maybe, depressing certainly.
As for Councilor Michael Henry - you sound like a child in a schoolyard, the difference being that the child has the excuse of youth.
JGR33N,
ReplyDeleteThat is a decent analogy the depressing part of that being if they are in prison then it is those prisoners who are the guards of us.
They are too keen on burying the past along with the truth. Without the truth we are all confined to the past.
It is Mickey Henrys job to come here and mock and wind people up but the reality is he is blindly faithful to whatever the leader says is truth.
I will gladly side everytime with some one who has had good reason to struggle on a blanket or anything else than with a proven pedophile protector who used and abused power within Republicanism to endorse the same. More so from some one who was never prepared to put himself on the firing line.
ReplyDeleteGreat piece Dixie and I think Marty has hit the nail on the head. As for Dev and Adams there IS a difference. One as you said at least had the dignity to leave the republican movement before betraying it while the other sought to bring it into the gutter along with himself. How else can we explain what he done to Joe McDonnell, Martin Hurson, Kevin Lynch, Kieran Doc, Tom McElwee and Mickey Devine? Treachery of the highest order
ReplyDeleteFirstly, this time I didn't write anything, I merely connected McGuinness's bullshit with Moloney's journalism.
ReplyDeleteIn fact Mackers seems to have laid it out better than I did but that's the craftsman for you.
What we are seeing here, in recent admissions that the Adams/McGuinness leadership were meeting the Free State, Hume and the Brits at a time we know they were encouraging an continuation of the war, is an attempt at distancing themselves from it.
They are trying to depict themselves as people who worked behind the scenes to bring peace while the fact is, they allowed volunteers and civilians to die in order to cover up what they were doing.
I remember reading Brendan Hughes saying that he advised McGuinness that the IRA wasn't ready to use the Libyan weapons and that a year of training was needed. McGuinness told him that they needed a push then because rumours were circulating that the leadership was winding down the war.
I think this happened not long before the Loughgall ambush, certainly after 1986.
The fact is, the rumours were correct and in order to wash their hands of the actions of the IRA they are more and more admitting to it.
As for the gibberish of michaelhenry... I'm still trying to untangle what he's saying...
The fact is, that by now admitting they were treacherous in their back-channel meetings with the Brits - which went back into the 1980s - Adams and McGuinness are confirming that, something Adamsite fanatics continually poured scorn on, was true...
ReplyDeleteWhich of course was, Moloney's claims in his book, 'A Secret History of the IRA' that Adams with Fr. Reid in tow was seeking a way out of the war since 1986.
In effect IRA Volunteers were dying and killing not knowing what a Catholic Priest knew.
Add that to Ed Moloney's article from around 2000 that Brian Nelson and FRU saved Gerry Adams' life in 1987.
This article was confirmed as fact recently by the De Silva report.
Ed Moloney seems to have been uncannily accurate in much of what he has written over the years and another read of the revised edition of his book would be suggested reading.
Dixie-
ReplyDelete" The IRA wasn't ready to use the
Libyan weapons and that a year of training was needed "-
That's the best one yet-
The weapons were dropped of in Ireland over a few years and most of the contends were AKs and semtex-and your man said that the RA would need a years training-guess he was not much into tactics-
sounds like Brendan only found out about the Libyans weapons when he heard on the news that the forth shipment broke down on the sea's in 1987-
Take your time to read Dixie-Jesus-
you can tell some whoppers-And you don't mind bringing Brendan's name down to your level-
Michael McDickhead
ReplyDeleteSo the "Dark" wasn't well versed in tactics? Are you for real? I know you can't read, write, spell or use grammar properly (my 3 month old grandson could construct a better sentence than you), but I thought even a half-wit like you could come up with a better argument about something, as opposed to slagging people off. (apologies to the half-wits of the world for comparing them to Mickeybroy). As for Caroline Moreland, name me one, just one, tout that gave away more weapons and personnel than either Adams or McGuinness. When someone makes a criticism of Adams or SF, can you not step back even once, and analyse it objectively? (if you know what that means) instead of jumping down people's throats and trying to (in your own idiotic way) insult them?
AM
ReplyDeleteBy the way, you're getting some stick in a thread over in Slugger.
M.H. I wont tell your mates in the other secret socitey daad.But any chance of getting us a half ounce of that gear your on.
ReplyDeletemichaelhenry you're so thick, half the time you don't realise that you are being ridiculed.
ReplyDeleteNever-the-less what the fuck would a johnny-come-lately like yourself know about the workings of the IRA?
That a complete clown like yourself would try and mock The Dark beggars belief.
The fact is Sinn Fein can't find someone in your part of the country yet who is not as thick as you with whom to replace you. Look at how they shafted their loyal party members in Derrys Waterside by pushing through Bridget Meehan a former employee of Raytheon...
It annoys me sometimes that I'm reduced to answering idiots like you with the brains of sheep but then again such is life.
Belfastgit,
ReplyDeleteso I believe LOL. Initially I read a few of the bigots, my eyes glazed over and I lost interest!
Anthony .Belfastgit off thread but still in a way about disappeared ,in this case namely myself I was disappeared off Slugger a few years ago, and I,ve now recovered from that particular fix,but my advice to both of you is ,do not mention Irish Robinson and the word fuck in the same sentence.
ReplyDeleteMarty,
ReplyDeleteI rarely go there. Haven't the time. Mick Fealty is clever and tolerant of different viewpoints but it is not a description that can be applied to all who visit the place. But it is the world of the web and it is better it exists than doesn't.
Anthony, totally agree a cara
ReplyDeleteDixie
ReplyDeleteBridget Meehan a former employee of Raytheon, Derry?
Dr Bridget was the lead Software writer in the Derry company. That was before a few good men and women protesting forced the closure of the place.
Seems only SF did not know of Bridgets baggage. Or else they didnt care. Its hard to know which of the two scenarios's is the more disgraceful.
After Raytheon's closure Bridget applied for SF membership telling her friends to watch this space as she honed in to be nominated for the first available 'seat'.
Lo and Behold she is now a Councillor in Derry while others who have been beavering away for years can only look on.
A number of years ago (maybe 6 or so) Sinn Fein in South Dublin approached someone I know about becoming a candidate for them - this person was not a republican, never had been, was disinterested in what was happening up north during the conflict but SF felt he was a good profile for the party as it mainstreamed. He politely turned them down but it goes to show how image and mainstream electability trumped any pedigree, previous had work or core principles (obviously with the exception of where councilor mh represents where it is obviously incoherence, ignorance and childishness are required) - but anyway candidate choices shouldn't be surprising.
ReplyDeleteMarty
ReplyDeleteI too have been kicked off Slugger a few times (but it was worth it!).
AM
I'm the same, I'll have a gander at what's on it, but when I see something that annoys me (like SF propagandists etc. I'll comment on it).
Belfastgit,
ReplyDeleteI used to read it a bit about ten years ago but never joined in the discussion. It used to seem full of SF parrots trying to tell everybody that Scap wasn't a spy. After that I sort of said we can read Niall Meehan in An Phoblacht to get that.
Mickey,
ReplyDeleteYou are a riot you probably post so much you forget what you said.
This line in a sense made me laugh.
“Take your time to read Dixie-Jesus-
you can tell some whoppers-And you don't mind bringing Brendan's name down to your level-“
I recall a few years back here I pulled you up about you ripping Brendan Hughes and now when it suits you, you try and use his name to favour your poor argument.
I doubt the talk of training was on guns and explosives but more so about the surface to air missiles. No idea why you are boasting as the weaponry may as well been a fortune in a bank belonging to a dead man with no next of kin and no will destined to end up in the government coffers.
Remember Mickey Brendan dedicated his life to the movement he knew it inside and out what he didn’t know was that his good friend would Judas the lot all so he could become king of the new republican squeaky clean castle.
AM
ReplyDeleteAccording to most of the people on Slugger now, it's nothing more than an anti SF propaganda blog! The vitriol directed towards Fealty because there's always something about Adams on it, is beyond belief. Never mind about his "evidence" at his brothers trial and all of the rest of the lies he's told/telling, the reaction of his loyal sheep is well worth a look, even if it's just for the comedy value.
michaelhenry:
ReplyDeleteTo even mention Bredan
Hughes in such a diabolic way just shows how illiterate you really are , that is norm for a SF British paid councilor though.
Are you so dumb?, I would say 100% yes, your brain is blank so you let your fingers do all the work for you, which even makes you so stupid it is unbelievable. There just wasn't one weapon, you moron. You, Adams, McGuinness couldn't hold a candle to a very Brave and devout IRA Commander. R.I.P. Brendan (The Dark) Hughes, you will never be forgotten.
Tain bo a cara how right you are the socialist president for life of that shower of quislings grabbed all the trappings of a king ,gullible fools to lord it over ,private health care ,unrestricted first class world travel,many homes and no need to do an honest days work,and in true kinglike fashion he is quite willing to see his subjects die for his cause,he like kings of old held the gift of life or death in his hands, yes a cara giving Gerry Itwasntme a king title is an apt description, but for sure this king has no clothes .
ReplyDeleteGot the boot from slugger a few times then I got the final kick a few weeks back-
ReplyDeletegot the media crying on to me about what I said but I just denied
it was me-
Keep to the Quill to keep on talking-
Michaelhenry,
ReplyDeleteonly you!
michaelhenry said...
ReplyDelete"got the media crying on to me about what I said but I just denied
it was me- "
What was it you said mh that had the media so interested?
Was Martin McGuinness the head of the IRA’s Northern Command?
ReplyDeleteBrian Arthurs believed it in this comm he was. And was in a better position than me to know..