Today the Pensive Quill carries the second of a four part series by guest writer Carrie Twomey that takes readers through a day-by-day account of the events of early July, 1981.



Sunday ● Monday ● Tuesday ● Wednesday


Using the timeline created with documents from ‘Mountain Climber’ Brendan Duddy’s diary of ‘channel’ communications, official papers from the Thatcher Foundation Archive, excerpts from former Taoiseach Garrett Fitzgerald’s autobiography, David Beresford's Ten Men Dead, Padraig O’Malley’s book Biting at the Grave, and INLA: Deadly Divisions by Jack Holland and Henry McDonald, Danny Morrison’s published timelines, as well as first person accounts and the books of Richard O’Rawe and Gerry Adams, the fifty-five hours of secret negotiations between British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and Gerry Adams’ emerging IRA leadership group are examined day by day.

Late Sunday turns into the early hours of Monday



PART TWO: MONDAY 6 JULY 1981



PROVISIONAL VIEW
Early Morning

Tantrum to Tacks

At 1am Monday morning, an hour after the tantrum the Adams Group had thrown to weaken the position of the ICJP with the British, the channel resumed track. The British had been waiting on the result of Morrison’s visit to the hunger strikers to be briefed on the resulting position – would their initial offer be the basis for crafting a settlement?

ESSENTIAL
What the Adams Group communicated through the channel shows that Morrison’s visit was completely unnecessary in regards to being able to give the British their true position. They added nothing new to what they had earlier conveyed to the British while Morrison was in the prison.

As suggested during communications earlier in the afternoon, the Adams Group wanted a veto over the prisoners: “it is essential that a copy of the draft be in the hands of the SS [Shop Stewards, code for the Adams Group] before it is made public to enable the SS to approve or point out any difficulty before publication. If it is published without prior sight and agreement, the SS would have to disapprove it.”

In other words, if the British go behind the Adams Group's back, either via the ICJP or some other means of communicating with the prisoners, the Adams Group would veto any such agreement. Kept in the dark and denied the ability to agree to any offer, the prisoners clearly were not in control of their protest.

The British were not blind to the stalling tactics being employed by the Adams Group. The brief summary of the channel communications provided at 9am that morning is pointed: “While we appreciate that it has taken a long time to obtain the Provisionals’ view,” the summary starts out noting. It quickly concludes, “We would also point out that there is little difference between the final view and that which Soon predicted earlier in the weekend.”

In terms of finding an agreed form of words that would bring an end to the hunger strike, Morrison’s visit to the prison was utterly pointless and, given the status of Joe McDonnell’s conditition, a waste of valuable time.

For the Adams Group, however, his visit was not time wasted. It achieved their objective of stopping the ICJP from getting the hunger strikers to agree to any offer from the British and ending the protest.

By derailing the ICJP initiative and insisting on a veto to any final agreement with the British, the Adams Group was ensuring they alone had total control over the prison protest – to use to their own ends – and would not be surprised or usurped by the prisoners again.

Monday Afternoon

More Was Needed

Bik McFarlane says in Nor Meekly Serve My Time:
“Back in the block I waited for news that would end the nightmare, but the comms I received from the Army Council showed the Brits still hadn't gone beyond the position we had agreed and reaffirmed on Sunday in the hospital.”
Richard O’Rawe, in Blanketmen writes:
“On the afternoon of 6 July, a comm came in from the Army Council saying that it did not think the Mountain Climber’s proposals provided the basis for a resolution and that more was needed. The message said that the right to free association was vital to an overall settlement and that its exclusion from the proposals, along with ambiguity on the issue of what constituted prison work, made the deal unacceptable. The Council was hopeful, though, that the Mountain Climber could be pushed into making further concessions. As usual, the comm had come from Gerry Adams, who had taken on the unenviable role of transmitting the Army Council’s views to the prison leadership.” 
This is a complete change from what the Adams Group had told the British late on Saturday night. Only a few hours ago their stated position was that the ‘demands dealing with work and association could be subject to a series of discussions after the ending of the hunger strike’.

Stunning the ICJP

Adams and Morrison spent the afternoon informing the ICJP of their secret talks with the British, and demanding that the ICJP cancel their upcoming meeting with the NIO.

The fallout from this was predictable enough – the ICJP was ‘stunned by disclosure’, and ‘confronts [Michael] Alison [NIO contact]’. According to Garrett Fitzgerald, the ICJP were ‘furious at this development’.

When they confronted Alison about the secret talks, however, he was so obviously astonished that the ICJP were convinced ‘that he didn't know the second line of contact’ was opened and was ‘as much in the dark’ as the ICJP had been.

Jake Jackson's comments to author Padraig O'Malley in Biting at the Grave on who exactly did know about the secret talks between the Adams Group and Thatcher are illuminating. Jackson was a prisoner in McFarlane and O'Rawe's circle:
[T]he only people [Jackson] could say knew for sure about the Mountain Climber initiative at that point were himself, McFarlane, block OCs Pat McGeown and Sid Walsh and the PRO Richard O'Rawe, and the hunger striker, Joe McDonnell. As for the rest, [Jackson] says, it would have been on "a need to know basis": the closer a hunger striker got to dying the more likely he was to know. Mickey Devine and Kevin Lynch, the INLA members, wouldn't have been informed, one way or the other, nor would the hunger strikers who were still on the blocks.
The rest of the ICJP's afternoon and evening were spent pushing Alison on their proposal to end the strike, and they secured an agreement that the NIO ‘would see the prisoners with the governor by mid-morning the following day, Tuesday’.

A Third Party Trusted by the Top

Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Humphrey Atkins, kept Thatcher updated on developments. While detailing the status of the ICJP talks with Michael Alison, in a minute report sent on Monday afternoon before a 7pm briefing, he notes:
In parallel with these discussions we have been approached by a third party who is trusted by the top Provisional leadership. Again, no negotiations have been taking place but it is obviously only sensible that if the Provisional leadership wish to communicate something to us indirectly about this critical problem, we should not refuse to listen. They have set out the kind of approach which they would find acceptable as a way of bringing both the strike and the protest to an end – and their views are important because so far they seem to be largely in control of the strikers.

Their position is that they support the statement issued on behalf of the prisoners on Saturday, and would seem to be as follows:
  • (a) They are no longer pressing for differential treatment for “their” prisoners.
  • (b) HMG should make a public statement indicating that, after the hunger strike and protest has ended,
    • (i) all prisoners would be allowed to wear their own clothes all the time (but they accept that the authorities should control the type of clothing allowed sufficiently to avoid, eg all PIRA prisoners wearing a uniform);
    • (ii) all prisoners should have visits, parcels and letters on a scale similar to that now available to conforming prisoners;
    • (iii) discussions would be held with the prisoners about the precise nature and extent of
      • (a) the work they should undertake, and
      • (b) the degree of association they would be allowed.
  • (c) The statement would also have to be more precise (and it is suggested, but not insisted upon, more generous) about the arrangements for restoring lost remission.
  • (d) That statement would have to be shown to, and be acceptable to, the Provisional leaders before it was published.
This position is in keeping with Brendan Duddy's assessment of the Adams Group position articulated through the channel throughout Sunday. Was Atkins reporting the detail of the channel communications, or was someone else from, or close to, the Adams Group talking to someone from the NIO?

The detail in his minute report is remarkably similar to the Adams Group position described in the channel records.

However, according to statements he made to author Padraig O'Malley published in 1990, Atkins appears to be yet another person who at the time was completely in the dark about the secret talks.

“I had no personal knowledge,” he said, in a statement to be echoed by Gerry Adams a over a decade later when he would be queried about the Thatcher offers,  “I've never heard of the Mountain Climber as such. You've just mentioned the name, it's the first time I've ever heard it.”

Atkins does make clear to O'Malley that 'any contact with HMG' would not have been under his control   –  so it is unlikely he would have been privy to the full details of the secret talks. This makes his knowledge of the detail of the Adams Group position more intriguing, and may also account for his recommending 'standing firm' as the preferred course of action in the minute report.

As it was, Thatcher was already pursuing an alternative suggestion of his, which was to use a combination of the ICJP and direct, "channel" negotiations with the PIRA as represented by the Adams' Group.

Who Exactly Was Leading Who?

Atkins' observation that the views of the Provisional leadership  –  the Adams Group – were “important” because “they seem to be largely in control of the strikers” shows an awareness by the British that the prisoners themselves were not in control of their protest.

This perception accounts for why he considers  “simultaneously showing the terms to the Provisionals” as a course of action  –  to his thinking, the objective would be  “to try to swing their leadership behind the strikers”. In other words, at this point it was the outside leadership – the Adams Group – keeping the hunger strike from ending, not the prisoners themselves.

Longer Term Interests

Other key observations by Atkins in this report are worth noting. As he outlines the various courses of action open to the British as a response to ongoing developments, he demonstrates a nuanced understanding of the emerging leadership from the Adams Group and the pitfalls the outcome of the hunger strike holds.

This understanding is important for the British because they have already identified that the Adams Group wants to lead the Republican Movement away from armed struggle and into politics, and it is in their interests, obviously, to support or at least not get in the way of that change.

He notes that if  “the hunger strikers give up their fast in spite of the instructions of the Provisional leaders” it would “be a severe blow” to the Adams Group  –  again underlining the balance of control of the protest; he reiterates this later, saying that if the hunger strike collapses, it can  “leave the Provisional leadership humiliated ”.

He is also aware that the Adams Group “regard the ICJP as an intrusion' and would “be looking for a way of claiming a “victory””.
The Provisionals need to the settle the prisons problem on terms they can represent as acceptable to them if they are to go on – as we know some of them wish to do – to consider an end of the current terrorist campaign. A leadership which has “lost” on the prisons is in no position to do this.
While Atkins' recommendation to Thatcher is to stand firm, he is keenly aware that such a stance would be counterproductive to their own longer-term self interests. If they took the course of standing firm, it would only end up “discouraging the Provisionals from switching from terrorist to political activity at the very moment when we know that they have begun to find political action attractive ”.

Monday Evening

Thatcher’s Draft Offer

HANDWRITTEN ANNOTATIONS
The British end of the channel, meanwhile, was working on the draft statement. Thatcher's input, handwritten on the British copy, informed the statement that went down the channel as a reply to the Adams Group at 11:30 that night.

It was a clear and unambiguous statement, and Brendan Duddy’s notes closely follow the annotated version available from the Thatcher Foundation archives:
The British Government is prepared to issue a statement only if there is an immediate end to the Hunger Strike.
1. Prison regime in Armagh would become general in NI prisons i.e. civilian clothing.
2. Visits as for conforming prisons.
3. Remission as stated on June 30th by Secretary of State, Humphrey Atkins.
4. On work – the prison administration must maintain the right to decide what work should be done. Within that rule, further kinds of work are added from time to time, i.e. Open University, Build a Church (O’Fiach’s idea), Toys for spastic children.
5. Little advance is possible on Association as laid out on June Statement of 30th.
If we receive a satisfactory reply by 9:00am Tuesday 07/07/81 we will provide full text of the full statement.
If the reply is negative or if there is any public reference to this exchange we will deny it took place.
Silence will be taken as an unsatisfactory reply.

Hedged Bets

The Adams Group wanted to be sure they weren't going to be undermined by the ICJP.

Morrison, according to Fitzgerald, phoned requesting a meeting with the ICJP. Despite their refusal, the Adams Group's determination to keep abreast of the ICJP's diplomacy meant he arrived at their hotel anyway. The Adams Group's own “contacts with the British were continuing through the night”, Morrison is reported to have told them, and “he needed to see the actual commission proposals”. The ICJP gave him a run-down of their discussions with Alison, which included the ‘general gist’ of the proposals between them and the NIO. They also inform Morrison ‘that a guarantor will go in at 9am the following morning, Tuesday, 7 July’.

The morning deadline – given in the British offer and confirmed by Morrison's double checking the ICJP’s arrangement with the NIO – sets the agenda for the next hours to come.



To Be Continued in Part Three: Tuesday 7 July 1981  ●  Previously: Sunday 5 July 1981




55 Hours: Monday 6 July 1981

Today the Pensive Quill carries the second of a four part series by guest writer Carrie Twomey that takes readers through a day-by-day account of the events of early July, 1981.



Sunday ● Monday ● Tuesday ● Wednesday


Using the timeline created with documents from ‘Mountain Climber’ Brendan Duddy’s diary of ‘channel’ communications, official papers from the Thatcher Foundation Archive, excerpts from former Taoiseach Garrett Fitzgerald’s autobiography, David Beresford's Ten Men Dead, Padraig O’Malley’s book Biting at the Grave, and INLA: Deadly Divisions by Jack Holland and Henry McDonald, Danny Morrison’s published timelines, as well as first person accounts and the books of Richard O’Rawe and Gerry Adams, the fifty-five hours of secret negotiations between British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and Gerry Adams’ emerging IRA leadership group are examined day by day.

Late Sunday turns into the early hours of Monday



PART TWO: MONDAY 6 JULY 1981



PROVISIONAL VIEW
Early Morning

Tantrum to Tacks

At 1am Monday morning, an hour after the tantrum the Adams Group had thrown to weaken the position of the ICJP with the British, the channel resumed track. The British had been waiting on the result of Morrison’s visit to the hunger strikers to be briefed on the resulting position – would their initial offer be the basis for crafting a settlement?

ESSENTIAL
What the Adams Group communicated through the channel shows that Morrison’s visit was completely unnecessary in regards to being able to give the British their true position. They added nothing new to what they had earlier conveyed to the British while Morrison was in the prison.

As suggested during communications earlier in the afternoon, the Adams Group wanted a veto over the prisoners: “it is essential that a copy of the draft be in the hands of the SS [Shop Stewards, code for the Adams Group] before it is made public to enable the SS to approve or point out any difficulty before publication. If it is published without prior sight and agreement, the SS would have to disapprove it.”

In other words, if the British go behind the Adams Group's back, either via the ICJP or some other means of communicating with the prisoners, the Adams Group would veto any such agreement. Kept in the dark and denied the ability to agree to any offer, the prisoners clearly were not in control of their protest.

The British were not blind to the stalling tactics being employed by the Adams Group. The brief summary of the channel communications provided at 9am that morning is pointed: “While we appreciate that it has taken a long time to obtain the Provisionals’ view,” the summary starts out noting. It quickly concludes, “We would also point out that there is little difference between the final view and that which Soon predicted earlier in the weekend.”

In terms of finding an agreed form of words that would bring an end to the hunger strike, Morrison’s visit to the prison was utterly pointless and, given the status of Joe McDonnell’s conditition, a waste of valuable time.

For the Adams Group, however, his visit was not time wasted. It achieved their objective of stopping the ICJP from getting the hunger strikers to agree to any offer from the British and ending the protest.

By derailing the ICJP initiative and insisting on a veto to any final agreement with the British, the Adams Group was ensuring they alone had total control over the prison protest – to use to their own ends – and would not be surprised or usurped by the prisoners again.

Monday Afternoon

More Was Needed

Bik McFarlane says in Nor Meekly Serve My Time:
“Back in the block I waited for news that would end the nightmare, but the comms I received from the Army Council showed the Brits still hadn't gone beyond the position we had agreed and reaffirmed on Sunday in the hospital.”
Richard O’Rawe, in Blanketmen writes:
“On the afternoon of 6 July, a comm came in from the Army Council saying that it did not think the Mountain Climber’s proposals provided the basis for a resolution and that more was needed. The message said that the right to free association was vital to an overall settlement and that its exclusion from the proposals, along with ambiguity on the issue of what constituted prison work, made the deal unacceptable. The Council was hopeful, though, that the Mountain Climber could be pushed into making further concessions. As usual, the comm had come from Gerry Adams, who had taken on the unenviable role of transmitting the Army Council’s views to the prison leadership.” 
This is a complete change from what the Adams Group had told the British late on Saturday night. Only a few hours ago their stated position was that the ‘demands dealing with work and association could be subject to a series of discussions after the ending of the hunger strike’.

Stunning the ICJP

Adams and Morrison spent the afternoon informing the ICJP of their secret talks with the British, and demanding that the ICJP cancel their upcoming meeting with the NIO.

The fallout from this was predictable enough – the ICJP was ‘stunned by disclosure’, and ‘confronts [Michael] Alison [NIO contact]’. According to Garrett Fitzgerald, the ICJP were ‘furious at this development’.

When they confronted Alison about the secret talks, however, he was so obviously astonished that the ICJP were convinced ‘that he didn't know the second line of contact’ was opened and was ‘as much in the dark’ as the ICJP had been.

Jake Jackson's comments to author Padraig O'Malley in Biting at the Grave on who exactly did know about the secret talks between the Adams Group and Thatcher are illuminating. Jackson was a prisoner in McFarlane and O'Rawe's circle:
[T]he only people [Jackson] could say knew for sure about the Mountain Climber initiative at that point were himself, McFarlane, block OCs Pat McGeown and Sid Walsh and the PRO Richard O'Rawe, and the hunger striker, Joe McDonnell. As for the rest, [Jackson] says, it would have been on "a need to know basis": the closer a hunger striker got to dying the more likely he was to know. Mickey Devine and Kevin Lynch, the INLA members, wouldn't have been informed, one way or the other, nor would the hunger strikers who were still on the blocks.
The rest of the ICJP's afternoon and evening were spent pushing Alison on their proposal to end the strike, and they secured an agreement that the NIO ‘would see the prisoners with the governor by mid-morning the following day, Tuesday’.

A Third Party Trusted by the Top

Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Humphrey Atkins, kept Thatcher updated on developments. While detailing the status of the ICJP talks with Michael Alison, in a minute report sent on Monday afternoon before a 7pm briefing, he notes:
In parallel with these discussions we have been approached by a third party who is trusted by the top Provisional leadership. Again, no negotiations have been taking place but it is obviously only sensible that if the Provisional leadership wish to communicate something to us indirectly about this critical problem, we should not refuse to listen. They have set out the kind of approach which they would find acceptable as a way of bringing both the strike and the protest to an end – and their views are important because so far they seem to be largely in control of the strikers.

Their position is that they support the statement issued on behalf of the prisoners on Saturday, and would seem to be as follows:
  • (a) They are no longer pressing for differential treatment for “their” prisoners.
  • (b) HMG should make a public statement indicating that, after the hunger strike and protest has ended,
    • (i) all prisoners would be allowed to wear their own clothes all the time (but they accept that the authorities should control the type of clothing allowed sufficiently to avoid, eg all PIRA prisoners wearing a uniform);
    • (ii) all prisoners should have visits, parcels and letters on a scale similar to that now available to conforming prisoners;
    • (iii) discussions would be held with the prisoners about the precise nature and extent of
      • (a) the work they should undertake, and
      • (b) the degree of association they would be allowed.
  • (c) The statement would also have to be more precise (and it is suggested, but not insisted upon, more generous) about the arrangements for restoring lost remission.
  • (d) That statement would have to be shown to, and be acceptable to, the Provisional leaders before it was published.
This position is in keeping with Brendan Duddy's assessment of the Adams Group position articulated through the channel throughout Sunday. Was Atkins reporting the detail of the channel communications, or was someone else from, or close to, the Adams Group talking to someone from the NIO?

The detail in his minute report is remarkably similar to the Adams Group position described in the channel records.

However, according to statements he made to author Padraig O'Malley published in 1990, Atkins appears to be yet another person who at the time was completely in the dark about the secret talks.

“I had no personal knowledge,” he said, in a statement to be echoed by Gerry Adams a over a decade later when he would be queried about the Thatcher offers,  “I've never heard of the Mountain Climber as such. You've just mentioned the name, it's the first time I've ever heard it.”

Atkins does make clear to O'Malley that 'any contact with HMG' would not have been under his control   –  so it is unlikely he would have been privy to the full details of the secret talks. This makes his knowledge of the detail of the Adams Group position more intriguing, and may also account for his recommending 'standing firm' as the preferred course of action in the minute report.

As it was, Thatcher was already pursuing an alternative suggestion of his, which was to use a combination of the ICJP and direct, "channel" negotiations with the PIRA as represented by the Adams' Group.

Who Exactly Was Leading Who?

Atkins' observation that the views of the Provisional leadership  –  the Adams Group – were “important” because “they seem to be largely in control of the strikers” shows an awareness by the British that the prisoners themselves were not in control of their protest.

This perception accounts for why he considers  “simultaneously showing the terms to the Provisionals” as a course of action  –  to his thinking, the objective would be  “to try to swing their leadership behind the strikers”. In other words, at this point it was the outside leadership – the Adams Group – keeping the hunger strike from ending, not the prisoners themselves.

Longer Term Interests

Other key observations by Atkins in this report are worth noting. As he outlines the various courses of action open to the British as a response to ongoing developments, he demonstrates a nuanced understanding of the emerging leadership from the Adams Group and the pitfalls the outcome of the hunger strike holds.

This understanding is important for the British because they have already identified that the Adams Group wants to lead the Republican Movement away from armed struggle and into politics, and it is in their interests, obviously, to support or at least not get in the way of that change.

He notes that if  “the hunger strikers give up their fast in spite of the instructions of the Provisional leaders” it would “be a severe blow” to the Adams Group  –  again underlining the balance of control of the protest; he reiterates this later, saying that if the hunger strike collapses, it can  “leave the Provisional leadership humiliated ”.

He is also aware that the Adams Group “regard the ICJP as an intrusion' and would “be looking for a way of claiming a “victory””.
The Provisionals need to the settle the prisons problem on terms they can represent as acceptable to them if they are to go on – as we know some of them wish to do – to consider an end of the current terrorist campaign. A leadership which has “lost” on the prisons is in no position to do this.
While Atkins' recommendation to Thatcher is to stand firm, he is keenly aware that such a stance would be counterproductive to their own longer-term self interests. If they took the course of standing firm, it would only end up “discouraging the Provisionals from switching from terrorist to political activity at the very moment when we know that they have begun to find political action attractive ”.

Monday Evening

Thatcher’s Draft Offer

HANDWRITTEN ANNOTATIONS
The British end of the channel, meanwhile, was working on the draft statement. Thatcher's input, handwritten on the British copy, informed the statement that went down the channel as a reply to the Adams Group at 11:30 that night.

It was a clear and unambiguous statement, and Brendan Duddy’s notes closely follow the annotated version available from the Thatcher Foundation archives:
The British Government is prepared to issue a statement only if there is an immediate end to the Hunger Strike.
1. Prison regime in Armagh would become general in NI prisons i.e. civilian clothing.
2. Visits as for conforming prisons.
3. Remission as stated on June 30th by Secretary of State, Humphrey Atkins.
4. On work – the prison administration must maintain the right to decide what work should be done. Within that rule, further kinds of work are added from time to time, i.e. Open University, Build a Church (O’Fiach’s idea), Toys for spastic children.
5. Little advance is possible on Association as laid out on June Statement of 30th.
If we receive a satisfactory reply by 9:00am Tuesday 07/07/81 we will provide full text of the full statement.
If the reply is negative or if there is any public reference to this exchange we will deny it took place.
Silence will be taken as an unsatisfactory reply.

Hedged Bets

The Adams Group wanted to be sure they weren't going to be undermined by the ICJP.

Morrison, according to Fitzgerald, phoned requesting a meeting with the ICJP. Despite their refusal, the Adams Group's determination to keep abreast of the ICJP's diplomacy meant he arrived at their hotel anyway. The Adams Group's own “contacts with the British were continuing through the night”, Morrison is reported to have told them, and “he needed to see the actual commission proposals”. The ICJP gave him a run-down of their discussions with Alison, which included the ‘general gist’ of the proposals between them and the NIO. They also inform Morrison ‘that a guarantor will go in at 9am the following morning, Tuesday, 7 July’.

The morning deadline – given in the British offer and confirmed by Morrison's double checking the ICJP’s arrangement with the NIO – sets the agenda for the next hours to come.



To Be Continued in Part Three: Tuesday 7 July 1981  ●  Previously: Sunday 5 July 1981




15 comments:

  1. There is no other conclusion that the latest documents push us to. The Committee committed a heinous crime against imprisoned comrades.

    Great work Carrie.

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  2. Yeah great work Carrie. It's quite a complex issue but what seems certain now is that whoever was controlling the strike on the outside was not being open with those actually conducting the Hungerstrike inside Long Kesh. Basically it's now been determined beyond reasonable doubt that those in control on what's referred to as 'the Committee' could have settled the Hungerstrike in the early days of July 1981 without loss of face and with the support of the prisoners themselves.

    If this had been done six precious lives could have been saved. What has yet to be determined and probably will be disputed for a long time to come is why they chose not to do so. There are serious, serious questions to be answered on all of this by those responsible for taking this decision and point blank denials are proving now to be unworkable. Because the truth will find a way. The much talked about truth and reconciliation process needs to start much closer to home by the looks of it. But will they ever acknowledge the truth?

    We discussed this as a family yesterday and my Father said he always felt the Hungerstrikes had been manipulated to get Sinn Fein to where they are today. This has been his opinion for years, as far back as the 80's, but I don't think he imagined the narrative was quite as shady as what we're hearing the last few years and which is being exposed more and more now on a weekly basis. We considered the notion that the Hungerstrike might have been prolonged and that men might actually have been allowed to go to their deaths to make sure the Fermanagh-South Tyrone seat would not be contested by the SDLP or an Independent Nationalist and when we done so I questioned whether Adams could really be that cold and ruthless. No doubt was the general feeling on this, he was and is capable of it.

    My family is just an ordinary family like any other but they are wondering what the hell is going on here. I've also been talking to friends on it the last few days and they're saying if it comes out that Sinn Fein (i.e. the Adams leadership) allowed the Hungerstrtikers to die for political gain then they're done with them. But for many I have to say it's still too incredible to believe and this could be the greatest barrier those trying to bring the truth out into the open may have to face - the inability of ordinary republicans to believe this because so horrifying, so unimaginable is this scenario that it just seems beyond belief.

    All I can see Carrie, Anthony and the rest who are doing such great work on this is to keep chipping away, the truth is on your side

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  3. I had no idea that Carrie was the writer on the website 'July 1981'. That site has always been one of my favourites.

    http://www.longkesh.info/2013/05/13/55-hours-part-two-monday-6-july-1981/

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  4. It seems that of late, as I just commented on Slugger in regards to Carrie's excellent piece, that the shinner sheep have taken to avoiding that particular field altogether and are content to feed happily on the shit fed to them by their masters in other fields where border polls and trying to grab a hug and kiss from Unionists are in abundance.

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  5. So the brits lied to the ICJP who were talking to them the most-lied to the Irish goverment -lied to the IRSP-lied
    to everyone-whats new-according to these new/old claims the brits were telling the Irish who were in the prison hospital different yarns-and some still want to believe them-

    " An end of the current Terroist campaign-A leadership which has "lost" on the prisons is in no position to do this "

    Yet the INLA leadership ended their war-did they win on the prison issue-this argument suggests that they did-

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  6. Michael, you need to put aside what other people might or might not have done and ask yourself the singular question was there movement from the Brits around the period in time under scrutiny here in this thread - Because that's what's under discussion here. It seems indisputable at this stage that there was movement given the evidence stacking up. Are you saying there was no movement, no offer? Or are you trying to say something else?

    I'm trying to understand where you're coming from and viewing your comments more in terms of the long-standing, zero-sum arguments you have with people on here in terms of whether Sinn Fein is right or wrong than any serious attempt to analyse this specific situation. That needs put to the side. This isn't about winning a debate or proving each other wrong or arguing for the sake of arguing. This is about getting to the truth. I'm sure you must want to know the truth just as much as me or anyone else. Deep down inside man you can't be this blind as to just ignore the information that's coming out. Acknowledging its veracity doesn't necessarily equate to admitting Adams or whoever killed the Hungerstrikers but it does recognise that there are legitimate questions to be answered.

    Regardless of who we feel is ultimately to blame for the deaths of the Hungerstrikers, that's subjective, surely it has to be considered objective now that there was indeed movement in the British position in early July, possibly movement significant enough to consider ending the protest. If we acknowledge that there was ANY movement, regardless of whether it could have ended the Hungerstrike or not, and that this was withheld from those who were dying - no matter what the reason - then we must also acknowledge that this was and is unacceptable and should be at the very least admitted to and explained. Can you at least concede that?

    Perhaps it can all indeed be explained beyond what some here believe - that 'the Committee' manipulated the Hungerstrikes for political advantage. But, given the weight of evidence, to stick with the traditional narrative at this point is surely foolhardy. It's not about anyone else here Michael but yourself. Not about Dixie, Mackers, Carrie, me or anyone else. It's about can you really just ignore all this and continue to go along with this idea that O'Rawe and the others are simply liars out to 'get Adams'? Can you look yourself in the eye and continue on regardless? Don't you want to know the truth no matter how difficult it may be to hear? I think you owe it to yourself as an Irish republican to ask yourself some hard questions here and cut out this craic of just seeing everything as an attack on your party because for me it's not about that and I hope, I sincerely do, that it's the same for yourself

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  7. Sean bres, the thing about michaelhenry is that facts tend to confuse him. Being a shinner he has learnt at the feet of liars thus his preoccupation with lies and who lied to whom.

    Your rather lengthy reply has likely fried his brain and he has had to lay down...or should that be lie down?

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  8. Sean I wouldnt call anyone in quisling $inn £ein a republican of any description..

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  9. Sean,
    Your response to MH has about twice as many words in it than he has written since he started his 'hit run' commenting strategy on this blog..He cherry picks bits out of sentences taking them completely out of context and adding his own PSF leadership inspired twisted logic.. which equals to nonsense! lol

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  10. I put this thought on Slugger in the same part and decided to add it here as well....

    Where is or what happened to the comm Bik sent out to Adams accepting the offer, or at least as he himself put it…

    “And I said to Richard (O’Rawe) this is amazing, this is a huge opportunity and I feel there’s a potential here (in the Mountain Climber process) to end this.”

    Clearly if he saw at least this he would have put it to Adams in a comm?

    Yet in ‘Ten Men Dead’ despite the book’s reliance on Bik’s comms there is no mention of nor any inclusion of any such comm.

    However on the same date 6th July, he refers to and details a meeting he had with the ICJP the previous day July 5th. This comm to Adams is in the book.

    As is this comm to Adams written on July 7th….

    “…I don’t know if you’ve thought on this line, but I have been thinking that if we don’t pull this off and Joe dies then the RA are going to come under some bad stick from all quarters. Everyone is crying the place down that a settlement is there and those Commission chappies are convinced that they have breached Brit principles. Anyway we’ll sit tight and see what comes…”

    But no comm mentioning either the Mountain Climber and the offer he passed on or whatever he saw as being a huge opportunity with the potential to end it.

    Why was this comm kept from the author of Ten Men Dead, David Beresford and where is it today?

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  11. Oh and Carrie I thought I'd just mention, if ever Adams decides to sue me or I find myself in other times of legal trouble would you represent me?



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  12. Fenian,

    you wouldn't find that logic of Michaelhenry's in Faulty Towers even at the maddest of moments.

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  13. Dixie,

    she is as much a rep for us on the BC case. Without her guidance and lobbying there would be much less a robust campaign. Her ability is second to none even if I say it!

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  14. Mickey,

    I see you have been eating from Danny Morrison’s bowl of porridge. Always the pigeon never the statue and as usual the lofty lot are more than willing to shit on anything that comes too close to knocking them of their pedestal.
    An eerie silence from your camp around the internet Mickey, I was expecting at least a bit of an argument against the 55 hours piece.

    It is well documented and simple to follow with no hidden agenda. The timeline casts more than a dark shadow over the issue of an acceptable agreement.
    Reading through the 3 parts my head still nods in disbelief as it is difficult to acknowledge that a deal was on offer only to be sidelined by ambitious political maneuverings. I assume most republicans would feel the same way even though the documentation speaks plainly in black and white truth.

    Looking back Mickey, Thatcher had more to gain by ending the hunger strike as that would effectively end the long prison struggle one less front her cabinet would have to fight on.

    Even if we excuse the leadership with poor timing in their pursuit of political power it still leaves Ten men dead … though that would not work as the sympathy vote was something Adams and company could depend on.
    I think the Adams camp had adopted the view of the Nazi Von Ribbentrop in his description of Irish republicans after world war two speaking at the failure of operations Green and Kathleen (I think)…
    The Irish are good at dying for their cause but not so good when it comes to fighting for it.

    It’s is a bitter statement to make but looking back it becomes clear the Hunger Strikes became a platform not so much for political status but a sounding board for political votes.

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  15. Is it not strange in bik comm to brownie 6-7-81 that in such an extensive comm that he never mentioned pennies visiting the hunger strikers in fact he says he met them and told them the score.Mountain climber only mentioned on 8th after Joe MC Donnell had died in a comm which could easily have been doctored.May be one of reasons they wanted mountain climber erased from history.

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