Strange Places, Questionable People

Often the size of an MP’s ego seemed to be in inverse proportion to his or her quality as a human being - John Simpson.

What is particularly useful about a journalistic memoir is its ability to take the reader to the scene of many of the main news events that have long since faded in our memories. A quick guide of the world’s trouble spots, they are a handy refresher for all the stuff our cluttered minds have accumulated over the life lived thus far and then involuntarily discarded, due to lack of mental space. There may be some shallowness to the accounts, resulting from quick gliding rather than slow methodical excavation. The ‘first draft of history’ is often the end product of alacrity in dialogue with that lack of understanding presumed to exist within the target audience. Yet, even in the bullet point format that they ooze, the better written memoirs convey something of the ambience of the time in which the journalist was reporting.

Strange Places, Questionable Places by John Simpson is a snapshot of the then world’s most violent hot spots. 1989, he regarded as the most single important year in the second half of the 20th Century and he was at all the major newsworthy site, ‘the only reporter in the entire world, I believe, who was.’

Before setting out on his voyage Simpson has something to say about the culture of the BBC which he joined when he was 22 having completed a Cambridge education. The corporation was something he had a love-hate relationship with. Throughout his career his bonding instinct remained with the reporters rather than the editors whom he viewed for the most part as soccer pitch crabs who play a square ball, lacking as they are in the forward adventurous of the reporter.  The real meat of the book lies elsewhere.

The reader gets a sense of the dictatorial instincts of Thatcher from this book. Growing more imperious by the year, particularly in the wake of her Falkland victory, she conceived herself as the state every bit as much as Louis XIV had. And for all her aggression against the murderous Argentine dictatorship in 1982, only two years earlier her trade secretary, Cecil Parkinson, had visited Buenos Aires and while there proclaimed both Argentina and Britain as allies in the same battle. He understood only too well that while he was referring to inflation the military dictatorship ‘would interpret his words as meaning that Britain supported the junta’s crusade against communism.’  And again, as has so often been the case since the election of an Argentine cardinal to the office of pope, this book conveys the horror of the Dirty War where women could be arrested simply because military men found them attractive and could rape them before torturing and murdering them, perhaps even blessed by the Catholic priest, Father Christian von Wernich, in the course of doing so. Without success Simpson tried to hunt down the ‘blonde angel of death’ Alfredo Astiz, the public face of the Dirty War, the killer of French nuns, now serving life in an Argentine jail, where he is probably safer having been physically assaulted so many times in public by angry victims.

Simpson’s problem with political leaders was not restricted to the Tory variety alone. He was once punched by Harold Wilson during his tenure of Number 10 Downing Street. He had a contempt for the Labour boss and pointedly reminds his reader that LBJ once said the reason Wilson backed the US in its Vietnam War policy was because ‘I’ve got his pecker in my pocket.’ It seems Bush had the pecker of Blair in his pocket too.

In a chapter headed A Different World Simpson writes about the state of Israel ‘supported instinctively by most European socialists.’ That was a long time ago. Much of the change in instinct  has to do with the Israelis, who with glaring insensitivity to irony, have managed to invite comment on their having emulated some of the barbarism of the Nazis. Simpson goes to this directly when citing from a conversation he had with an Israeli Colonel. The military man, appalled at what the government of Israel was implementing, candidly stated: ‘we are like Nazis here. Sharon is a war criminal and we are helping him do his dirty work. It’s genocide. All of us are guilty.’ He also met a captain who was desperately trying to save Palestinians while imploring Simpson and the BBC to tell the world about the atrocity that was Sabra and Chatilla.

The great genocide of our time, Rwanda, he believed was an abomination ignored because so much media attention was focused on the Balkans as a result of the ‘herd activity’ of journalists too eager to see the conflict there through the filter of the Holocaust, oblivious to the fact that the Serbs had nowhere near the organisational capacity of the German war machine to put a final solution in place.

The murder in custody of Steve Biko by police ‘thugs’, some of whom ‘had the ugliness of Hieronymus Bosch torturers’ angered Simpson so much that he organised a group of press photographers to snap them in court, puncturing their arrogance and humiliating them, making it clear to them that could in some way be brought to account. Never much of that on display when the PSNI was called the RUC.

Which brings him to our own conflict in Ireland. He heavily contrasted the attitude of the Dublin government to the British in the wake of serious bombing incidents. Dublin beat nobody up or jailed the innocent to appease the public mood whereas London did just the opposite.

His chapter titled ‘Dissidents’ is an interesting reminder of how the inflexion given to language rather than the language itself is what matters for purpose of positioning. Dissident when applied to oppositional currents in the Soviet Union was a terms of respect, if not endearment. In the North of Ireland today dissident, phonetically hissed out to sound like ‘deviant’, is a label used to smear, showing just how ineffective the republican PR machine has been in the wake of the Good Friday Agreement. 

He approvingly cited Anwar Sadat’s view of Gadaffi as ‘that madman from Libya.’ In the North African country, in the arrivals lounge of an airport, he found the notice ‘committees everywhere.’ That would be enough to make the average Joe turn around and make for the first exist sign to ensure a place on the first available flight out. 'Death by committee' - the last words of many a great idea: something that is literally true in the case of six republican hunger strikers in 1981.
    
It was instructive to read of an MI5 operative using the term ‘agent of influence,’ a concept that almost certainly did much to secure the defeat of the IRA and bring it to the farcical embrace of everything it fought against. Today we are able to witness those who best fit the job description so easily alarmed when they see the term in print.

Simpson's sojourn in Ireland led him to conclude that ‘a British government was behaving like a Latin American dictatorship’. He would later come to learn enough about a Latin American dictatorship through his delving into the phenomenon of the disappeared of Argentina. But any notion he might have harboured that the IRA was a romantic entity evaporated one March evening in 1971 when the organization killed three unarmed Scottish soldiers its members had earlier been drinking with. In mildly irritating fashion to the informed reader he refers to an IRA funeral in Glasnevin Cemetery in Belfast rather than Milltown while wrongly dating the truce talks in London attended by Dave O’Conaill and other leaders of the IRA. More puzzlingly he traced the descent of O’Conaill within the Provisionals to an alleged 1971 affair with Maria McGuire. But it was the joint arms buying trip by O’Conaill and McGuire to Amsterdam that really thrust O’Conaill into the public eye where he would remain for number of years.

Simpson preferred the Southern leaders within the Provisionals to Northerners like Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams whom he came to fear, both having ‘gave orders which resulted in murder and torture.’  He suggests that Ruairi O’Bradaigh never seemed to value killing for its own sake and therefore expresses a degree of surprise when O’Bradaigh rather than his northern colleagues emerged as the die hard. He seemed impressed by O’Conaill whom he found much less sectarian than the Provisional IRA’s first chief of staff, Sean MacStiofain; his disdain evident in his accusation that MacStiofain had drunk his shower water while on hunger and thirst strike in 1972.

Simpson recently wrote that if ever the moment arose he would end his own life if the choice was to allow his son, currently six, to see him as a gibbering wreck. I could be glib and praise him for his decision to commit suicide before becoming a politician, but as the point was seriously made I will compliment him instead for what he had to say on the matter. Yet given his clear disdain for Martin Bell who made the voyage from journalist to politician – generally a trip from Accuracy Central to Terminus Fudge – it was hard to suppress the thought that Simpson may have considered suicide a better option than the slow moral death by denial.

John Simpson, Strange Places, Questionable People. 1996. London: Macmillan, IBSN 0 333 72420 8

40 comments:

  1. Certainly seems like an interesting read Anthony,as you point out the bogey men of influence crop up in this book, once again we see or read how this group of effective but lesser known agents were able to create a volte face within the leadership of the prm,anything that sheds light on the activities of these people is worth reading even if it is passing,John Simpson is one of those people who seem to have been around forever,and been at the very heart of troublespots around the world,definitely a book I shall look out for.

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  2. Marty,

    I picked it up a few years ago and read it quite a while back, made a few notes and have only now got around to imposing some structure on it. I always find this type of stuff interesting.

    It would be great to trace the role of agents of influence: when they started pushing the peace process ideas, what they spread and at which point, where they were positioned and so on. It would give us a much better feel for how the Provisional project ended up where it is.

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  3. Exactly Anthony who, what,where ,when? its is to me the most significant question of our recent past,the willingness and tenacity of the volunteers of the prm would have made a military victory by the brits nigh on impossible,this may be verified by the willingness of a few to continue with armed resistance well after the sell by date, agents of influence have imo been as deadly if not more so than Scap and his band of touts, as you say at what point and by whom were they positioned,what their briefs were would be fascinating to say the least,without doubt what they have achieved is beyond measure and I,m sure way past the expectations of the men in suits in Whitehall.

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  4. Marty,

    read Liam Clarke's Bel Tel piece where he references Agents of Influence. Interesting stuff.

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  5. Marty,

    it simply would not have been possible to bring the Movement to such a collosal defeat without their role. The former head of Special Branch is now hinting at somebody in the Stomont Executive. And why does that not surprise anybody? The ex branch man could of course be making it up. But where would the safe money go?

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  6. Who where and when? Anyone still in the SF leadership today are your who where and when.

    Late 80s early 90s was an interesting time. The Berlin wall came down, Nelson Mandela was freed to become president of S. Africa (whatever) ending the isolation the country suffered which saw it universally despised in economic and sporting matters worse than N. Korea or Iran today.

    Nothing much changed from what I can make out for the blacks. Nelson and the SF leadership got the red carpet, everyone else got the red card!

    Those countries/governments under pressure bought a few 'leaders' off and bob's yer uncle.

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  7. AM

    Why would they now rap the individual concerns knuckles? The British security services play this game the world over, in all probability at this very minute one of their number is using the same strategy they used to fish in the IRA pond to reel in a senior member of the Free Syrian army who has an islamic bent.

    It is hardly helpful if they get a reputation of throwing their agents of influence to the wolf once they outlast their usefulness.

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  8. Agents of influence. Now that I something I am really interested in, as they are the real drivers in change. Predatory mindsets, charming and cool as psychopaths and ruthless as a bunch of PCP laced coke driven socio -paths. Possible recruiting ground, Oxford, Cambridge, Eton, Rugby private schools. lol. Anyway, here is a little book I read it was by Oliver Stone "The Untold History of the United States". Talk about a misrepresentation of history by the elites in USA. Great read. Anyway, you don't need to buy the book, it is being made available if you have sky tv. In effect; Sky Atlantic - Wednesday 17th April. Absolutely breath taking, the lies the American people are being told from kids to the present day.

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  9. Organised Rage,

    spite. Their agents accuse them of shafting them all the time. I think what you say should be logical but probably overlooks why people are turned and it is not always a simple rational choice decision. Most of them probaby don't work on the percentages of whether they will be shafted or not. And if they are only shafted at some point in the distant future then there is little to deter them

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  10. james

    one BIG lie...the American dream!

    As for people being turned...

    Seanna Walsh 20 yrs from rebel to SDLP

    Nelson Mandela 30 yrs from rebel to pet poodle

    a few decades in jail seems to do the trick which begs the question WTF went wrong with you McIntyre?

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  11. larry,

    interesting that you should mention Seanna. He made some sense the other night on the Barney Rowan feature.

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  12. I think it’s a misconception to equate agents of influence as being the same as touts. The latter are clear about what they are about, and come to terms with that, or not. Agents of influence are something different, many do not even see what they do as wrong, many even believe they are advancing their cause, this for example was especially true of European trade unionists who were recruited by the CIA in the post war period.

    Handlers of such creatures will use far more sophisticated reasoning to bring them on side. Whereas getting touts on side is pretty simplistic.

    Nationalist movements like the IRA and ANC were always going to be susceptible to having such people placed in senior positions as their memberships are made up of people who have a wide range of political beliefs, and none.

    Mbeki jnr and McGuinness fit this profile and both almost certainly had their paths to the top smoothed. Adams and Mandela I would say no. What ever one may think about them, they were aways head and shoulders above their peer groups and solid in their political beliefs.

    The security services undoubtedly played on their dominance, as it enabled them to place people within their entourages whilst eliminating those they regarded as dangerous heirs, the best example was Chris Hani in SA and I'm sure you guys could name someone of a similar status in the PRM.

    I would be surprised if the branch ran agents of influence, but who knows the north has always been a strange sort of place.

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  13. Organised Rage,

    Adams solid in his political beliefs? What other than lying has he proved consistent on?

    I don't believe either he or McGuinness were agents. I know there are many who disagree with me on that but I have yet to see anything that would persuade me.

    But they did not have to be for Brit strategy to succeed once the Brits determined that they were a better option to proceed with than other Provo leaders. What was needed was a body of individuals who pushed the ideas of the peace process, people who would come out and ‘float’ the new idea or departure, and ultimately ease the way towards the situation that prevails today. These people were also needed to smear republican critics who called it for what it was. Hence Denis Donaldson would tell journalists that myself and Tommy Gorman were doing the work of the Brits. Chutzpah how are you? They would ring around press offices constantly trying to undermine to editors those journalists who did not spin it the way the Brits wanted it spun. They would incessantly brief journalists and editors against those journalists and republican critics. They would cover up for agents like Scappaticci. These people in my view were needed to make incursions into the republican mindset, to undermine opposition and help push through leadership ideas that dovetailed with British strategic needs.

    Were they all simply 'useful idiots?' I don't believe so. This is where I think you in trying to be accurate and fair actually create the problem you try to solve. It seems to me that you don't want everybody who spread peace process ideas suitable to the Brits seen in a negative light therefore you say it is important not to see the agent of influence on a par with a tout.

    I agree with the logic but not the method. In my view ‘agents’ of influence are people who consciously were recruited for the Brits. Those who merely pushed ideas that suited the Brits but not at the behest of the Brits were not ‘agents’ no matter how influential they were. There were quite a few people in SF who pushed ideas which would cause you to raise eyebrows and were thoroughly objectionable but to label them agents would be a step too far.

    In the republican context agent is a term used very specifically. An agent of influence and an activist could spread the same idea but only one is an agent. If we move away from that we risk labelling everyone who had a different idea from us as agents and the term then begins to have little meaning.

    If you look at Peter Taylor's book you will see the way the Brits were approaching the agent of influence tactic. They used them.

    I first became aware of the term while in prison. It came from someone who in my view seemed aware that it was certainly a strategy that the Brits were using or would consider using, Whether he knew it because it had been employed elsewhere or specifically in Ireland against the IRA I can't be certain.

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  14. Agents of influence and we should be clear here agents are what these people are,they do not act with something implanted artificially in their brain and go about their masters business in a zombie like fashion,people like Donaldson who were compromised in one way or another went about decimating internal dissent by positioning supporters or willing dupes into key positions within the movement,his activities in America were apparently so blatantly obvious it became necessary to replace him, yet he still remained close to the "leadership"protected some say, which begs the question are the main men now made men in the true likeness of their masters,as Anthony points out there is no real evidence,however I look at the way Paisley accepted his deputy and his continual grin seemed to say to me that he was aware of something that made Martybroy" acceptable",Paisley has been over the years privy to sensitive information,I believe Mc Guinness is an agent its just a gut feeling,with no actual proof. its not a point that I could argue,what is clear in my mind is that every member of that party now are well and truly married into the brit establishment with the odd whimper and protest,they may not all be agents but they certainly are quislings.

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  15. Marty

    In all honesty, knowing what we know now about agents and the depth of infiltration we really need to stop floundering about in self denial.

    I saw a pic recently of Bobby Sands and Donaldson in an embrace which looked like it was taken in the cages.

    Sands died on hungerstrike and Donaldson was most likely ALREADY an agent when he was dying. If not, he became one immediately after. Not the response you'd expect.

    That's the depth of the penetration and those at the top of SF today are there for no other reason than the brits had a plan for them and could work with them.

    There's an unspoken acceptance of it obviously. The Italian mafia would have slit Donaldson's and scap's throats as an example regardless of the political position, not packed them off happily to Donegal and Italy respectively.

    The entire SF top flight are a heap of dung from whatever angle you gaze upon them. The party is a safe haven for a rat infestation. Steer well clear. Good for a larf, nothing else.

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  16. I do not believe Adams or McGuinness were agents. I do believe it was simply a case of animal farm on their part. They believe they are playing smart. Their strategy simply has became lets breed them into an all Ireland and acquire all the power,grace and status of noble peace making statesmen whilst securing the priviledge of OURS,as we skip merely along unchallenged. Anyone that challenges us is against the "peace process" Very powerful emotive wording. Einstein was not needed for this for this strategy,still no excuse for the suffering and the betrayal of the long war. Which is was, a simply betrayal of the long war strategy. Leadership are supposed to formulate, plan, and implement strategy. Or maybe they realised they were wrong and wanted to cut its loses and sell it as a compromise. One thing is for sure, Adams et al believes they delivered peace and saved Irish lives. In this mindset, nullifies the score for all the people sent to the graveyard on their command. Narcissistic, psychopathic leadership. If you look at the mannerisms of SF speaking, they have been sponsored in "facilitation training" and taught how to speak with their hands making positive, emotive gestures. Now, you could acquire these techniques from any management consultant, PR guru. However, I have a wee assumption that the agents of influence particularly from the CIA point of view has played a long steady hand in the shaping of their short, mid, long term political ambitions and they have the game rigged, the table is slanted for them to work away. That's life I suppose. Strange places, Questionable people...

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  17. That pic of Donaldson was that mans ticket to the top a cara,other than that Larry I wouldnt disagree with anything you say,we have already acknowledged that the brits played the prm the way I like to play a well hooked trout.its a pity Scap got away,but then the man was untouchable with the dirt he holds.

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  18. James,

    while it would have been useful from a Brit point of view to have had them as agents, it was not a strategic urgency given that they were taking the Provos to the cul de sac in which they are now in. I think what the Brits needed was the opposition to the Adams/McGuinness line weakened. This woule be easier aided by a tier of AOIs recruited to ensure the grassroots were influenced in a way that the Brits wanted them influenced. Denis Donaldson seemed to fit this brilliantly. He was an agent of the Brits and an agent of the peace process. How was the activist/volunteer on the ground to tell the difference when the leadership was pushing the peace process?

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  19. mackers

    Donaldson was also deliberately exposed in a time of prolongued peace. So he was hardly irreplaceable. If 'numero trez' is expendable what does it tell you about one and two? lmao. Like I said...SF....good fer a larf.

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  20. Marty

    All the more reason to be gobsmacked he was permitted to walk away. Even returning to Belfast the odd time seemingly. As i say, an unspoken acceptance from SF. They all understand each-other.

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  21. Marty,

    Scap made an exit ok but I think the most was made of his outing by the leadership who after the initial obligatory lies died their usual death, benefitted from a deliberately primed belief settling down that Scap was the main agent. It would be foolish to believe that. When Brian Rowan announced at a West Belfast discussion a few years back that the senior agent in the Provos was still at large it was interesting to see the challenge go in that the Brits would say that wouldn't they. Few fell for that seeing it as another attempt to deflect.

    The late Jack Holland had quite an insight into the extent of the penetration. He had access to the notes but could not decipher the codenames. But he got enough to know just how deeply riddled it was. And of course they tried to rubbish him as well.

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  22. He had access to the notes but could not decipher the codenames

    Why didn't he try a decent set of rainbow tables and brute force them?

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  23. I doubt a rainbow table would have been the type of thing he required. Simple local knowledge which he may not have been not too interested in acquiring, going instead for the general position.

    A senior republican activist from the day might easily have worked it our from deduction. The code would simply have been a name for the agent. Those meeting the agent on a daily basis were the who's who of the IRA. So any of them with access to the notes would easily have worked it out.

    It's as much as Jack told me. I didn't get the impression he was holding anything back although he might have been.

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  24. It's as much as Jack told me. I didn't get the impression he was holding anything back although he might have been.


    That's good enough for me. Part (or a big part) about provisional Irish republicanism is, if I was home, Gerry Kelly would be my MLA and coming from Ardoyne, I'd be expected to give him my vote...

    Knowing what I know today...It wouldn't happen (I've never voted in my life for anything). It's partly (probably mainly) of the contradictions within SF/PRF.

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  25. AM
    How was the activist/volunteer on the ground to tell the difference when the leadership was pushing the peace process?

    The answer is simple that had not a chance of knowing. It probably could described as "a need to know basis" and the leadership choozen few needed to know while the rank and file simply did not.

    I said long ago one of the biggest crimes in the history of the conflict was that the Provisional leadership were lying through their teeth to the activists and volunteers who basically were on the front line "coal face" situation, war.

    It certainly took bottle, or they believed they could manage any given hurdle/situation through various methods of influence and control. I remember reading the opening quotes of one of Adams books, one in which he likes to use quite frequent by the way "If you are not strong, you better be cunning". He certainly was the man for the cunning job, no mistake about that.

    Sure they are still doing it, ie in the North they more resemble the republican party of the USA, while in the free state they are presented as a party on the left. They are a populace nationalist party. That's the difficulty with republicanism, everyone has a take on it. It is a little like religion, there are many true versions all claiming to be the only one, dissent and you are descent to hell rhetoric. SF in my humble opinion want republicanism to become like the orange order, each with its distinctive lodge, location, flag, band and we all walk in line to their drum beat as they lead us out.

    Bearing in mind with no notion of change to the status quo of goverence, power, privilege. I could be wrong? If so I am not that narcissistic to stand corrected.

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  26. Powerful stuff Anthony,does it ever seem to you like something out of a deep dark thriller you are reviewing or just a fucking nightmare.

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  27. I said long ago one of the biggest crimes in the history of the conflict was that the Provisional leadership were lying through their teeth to the activists and volunteers who basically were on the front line "coal face" situation, war.

    James, as an outsider I don't think everyone (at the first hurdel) within the PRM leadership lied. Certain people on the board of directors did, the rest (most) fell into line ( that's what soldiers do).

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  28. Marty,

    if we ever have doubts what these people are capable of we need only think of the trap they laid for the hunger strikers. Seriously, has there ever been a lower point reached in our republican history than that?

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  29. Has there ever been a dirtier deed in the history of republicanism,Ballyseedy was barbaric,the Shankill rd bombing was suspicious,as were many operations that went fatally wrong during that time, but to allow six of the bravest of the brave to die in such a manner,then as you say a cara there is not much lower that those scum could sink,

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  30. Marty,

    the 6/7th March '23 and the 5th July '81 - on a par.

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  31. There is a lot of debate here in Derry among the older hands whenever we get together in regards to Marty and was he one.

    1. Many of us can't get round the fact that Marty despite being a major player in PIRA managed to avoid jail here in the North.

    I know of 3 occasions when he was on British TV in 1972 speaking on behalf of PIRA, one being the famous photo of him sitting at the end of the table with the IRA leadership.

    Yet while young and old were being interned he never was. Nor did any of the supergrasses put him away yet he still remained in Derry.

    Also there is the point often spoken of that large questions hung over many put into positions of command by Marty in Derry and that includes not just Franco Hegarty.

    One was a person he made OC who held IRA meetings in pubs with the drink flowing. Not only that the same person couldn't run if he had two legs.

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  32. Anthony:

    All the more reason to be gobsmacked he was permitted to walk away. Even returning to Belfast the odd time seemingly. As i say, an unspoken acceptance from SF. They all understand each-other.

    Are not all MONEY LAUNDERING BANK MANAGERS THE SAME!.

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  33. Marty:

    As you know I have stated several times , Re Premature Explosions , I have no doubt whatsoever that those bombs were doctored , your good friend, whom her late brother was a very good mate, died in one of those instances, that made me adamant to look into every aspect of premature explosions. I will agree some were haphazardly thrown together at the beginning. To me, the timers were doctored. Such a sad lot, volunteers did not have a clue when they went to plant them. We just have to follow the chain of events to the bomb maker, then, the distributor , to the operative to plant the said device!. Devious deeds by agents high up in the PIRA Echelon.

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  34. Him walking away was less the problem than the fact that he was covered for. There was no longer a war on so he was always going to be able to walk away or least should have been able to walk away. Fortunes of war - they go up with the ladders and down with the snakes.

    Here was a British agent working to bring republicanism to its knees and people went to bat at the crease to conceal the fact. And then shout 'cover up' at the Brits over Pat Finucane.

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  35. Mackers

    Like I said, they understand each other and cover the collective back.

    Shouting about Pat Finucane is just them feedng electorally off another corpse.

    They should be in a zombie movie.

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  36. AM

    Just to be clear I never said it is important not to see the agent of influence on a par with a tout.

    What I wrote was 'Agents of influence are something different'

    And I stand by that completely [I would add in the long run they are far more dangerous than touts] That is why security services spend a great deal of time cultivating them and mainly left the local and military intel/police to handle the lower level touts.

    Donaldson seems to have started out as a tout and morphed into a hybrid of the two.

    To my mind Adams behavior has been consistent throughout most of his career,why else would Albert Price have spoken about him in a derogatory manner way back in the 1970s?

    Could other republicans also have had the measure of him back then but because his leadership 'qualities' were promoting the same policies as their own they went along with him. Lies and all.

    Is anyone who knows him well really shocked he put what 'he' regarded as the good of the movement above the deaths of hunger strikers?

    It's what such people do

    As to his politics he has always had the characteristics of a right-wing social democrat who ebbs and flows with the prevailing political wind.

    It gives me no pleasure to say it but in hindsight acquiescing to lies became a way of life within the PRM and not only those in the Adams camp were at it.

    Some of his most vocal opponents still could not bring themselves to tell the truth over how the first hunger strike ended into the late 1990s. What useful purpose could that serve beyond defending the honor of the Corp. Something Adams has been very astute at manipulating.

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  37. Anthony on the scary theme, how about FREDDIE IN RETURN TO NIGHTMARE IN SEVASTOPOL ST...
    Mick good point a cara,I for one agree AOI were far more efficient than the informers, though these had the crucial role of helping these agents in focusing minds in the direction they wanted them.

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  38. Organised Rage, I have no settled position in my mind as to who is the worst, the AOI or the straightforward tout. But I can see why you think the AOI is much worse.

    Albert may have spoken about the Big Liar in the derogatory manner that he did because that was a traditional attitude towards men who had a political bent. But those who fought alongside him in the armed struggle thought he was the epitome of revolutionary politics. Brendan is on record as saying he didn’t feel the Big Liar would lie. He actually considered the possibility that he must have resigned from the army and was therefore able to make these statements about never having been in the IRA.

    I don’t think he shafted the hunger strikers for the ‘good of the movement’. The movement is for the good of him. They were shafted to further his ambitions to which the movement is an instrument.

    The honour of the corp has been a seriously debilitating factor which as you point out has worked against any radicalisation.

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