An address by regular contributor Sean Doyle at the graveside of Seamus Costello. Sean, a former comrade and confidant of Seamus Costello, was invited to speak by the IRSP at a commemoration for the party’s late leader on Sunday, 7 October 2012. Photos are from the commemoration. This completes the trilogy of tributes to a great visionary and republican socialist in the mould of the Connolly, Mellows, Tone and Lalor.

Comrades pay tribute
Comrades it is always a great honour and privilege to speak about Seamus Costello; however I must concede to my inadequacy to encapsulate his life, and his comprehensive vision of a 32 county socialist republic.

His intellect, many talents and above all courage knew no boundary. His knowledge of our history and the wisdom of our past liberators; Tone, Lalor, Connolly, Mellows was consumed for breakfast, dinner and tea.

But Connolly had a profound influence and guidance on the young Costello. He joined Official Sinn Fein and the IRA at 16 years of age and commanded a unit in the occupied six counties in Operation Harvest in 1956 aged 17 years.

Within about a decade he held the positions of Adjacent General, Chief Of Staff and Director Of Operations and the position of Vice President of Official Sinn Fein until it proved impossible to dissuade the party from the reformist and one sided concentration that had frustrated him, robbed his youth and sapped his energy for over 18 years.

Memorial Plaque

The sometimes lonely and dangerous road of a young revolutionary visionary, both from external, and from internal forces - on the path he must travel, to realise his vision of a 32 county socialist republic in his lifetime, - presents enormous challenges. And it demands great courage, to confront the old guard, set in their ways, of a mindset, that has been corrupted by delusion, that the party is more important, and the self liberation of the Irish people secondary.

Let’s evaluate the task, mindful of the constraints imposed by the leadership. After Operation Harvest in 1962 as Seamus and comrades, had spent time in the Curragh concentration camp, as guests of the collaborators of British rule the 26 county government. They had wasted no time and organised educational lectures and debates while interned, and reviewed the stagnation of the party, and likely ways to break the cycle, and convince the leadership of the way forward.

Conscious of many attempts, by a minority, to advocate, the absolute, importance of the twin approach, the national question, and the class struggle, as one struggle, rather than two competing strands, which has been the position and divided loyalty, and opinions since the ‘ 40’s.

For example in 1945 when the internment camps and prison gates opened, in England, the north, and south thousands of men and women came home to a smashed movement both north and south and driven underground.

Colour party
They regrouped and concentrated on the military wing completely divorced of the people. They carried out raids on British camps and acquired substantial amounts of arms and ammunition, recruited and trained volunteers poised for the opportunity. They did not have to wait long, Operation Harvest was that opportunity.

They enjoyed popularity during those years. For their military endeavours two were elected to Westminster in 1955. And in 1957 four TDs were elected in the 26 county general elections but lost all 4 in 1961.

When Seamus coined the phrase “I owe my allegiance to the working class” little did I know, or realise, the background, to this declaration. It encompasses his lifetime of struggle, to convince the party - as all parties are secondary to the people’s revolution - parties are but a means to an end, and any party, or members, who willingly frustrate, or delay, this right of the people, must be exposed, as counter revolutionaries.

Seamus believed in people empowerment, and he was the most charismatic, skilful orator, inspirational, and practical communicator, on every aspect, of the struggle, from ideological theory, to unemployment, housing, and class discrimination, none too big, or none too small. Seamus gave generously of his time, to organise people collectively, to fight for their rights, and find their confidence, and voice, and restore their dignity, denied to them by the parasitic political system, who will be aware a risen people will dispense with them at the opportune moment.

Sean Doyle speaks at the commemoration
His vision was enacted every day by example, as he worked with people, motivating them, to take back control of their lives, from the political system, that insist, on servitude, and adoration, as the price for a meagre existence, and denied rights.

If he taught us anything, it was to have courage, to confront the twin evils, that is why Seamus and comrades formed the IRSP in December 1974, national oppression, and class oppression, must be confronted, and eradicated. Only then will we have peace, and a healthy society in Ireland.

New phases, of our struggle, unfold on a daily basis, and we must have the courage to expose, challenge, and inform opinion, building resistance, and ultimately win that phase, increase awareness, and consolidate, our resistance, for example, governmental decisions, who showed, who they really represent: shock horror, not the people who elected them.

But as Connolly predicted, “if we fight for national freedom, without social freedom, any government we elect, will only be a committee, to manage the affairs, of the capitalist ruling class”. That is why ordinary working class people, are being crucified, and being impoverished, with austerity measures, to pay the gambling debts, of the banks, bondholders, and speculators. Private debts, by decree, of the government, are sovereign debts. Everyone must repudiate these debts. Their explanation, for their losses, was deregulation, and casino capitalism, that has been stopped. Not so, in early May of this year, J.P. Morgan the biggest U.S. bank, in terms of assets, admitted, a loss of over 2 billion, gambling on credit worthiness, of major corporations, but data released showed a weakening economy, and the market moved downwards.

Barclays bank was found to have lied, in order to manipulate the bank lending rate and many other banks were involved in the conspiracy. Yet years in to the crisis, J.P. Morgan, and Barclays, are still using the same processes, that led to the financial crash. But why not, when ordinary workers are forced to bail them out?

Seamus the young revolutionary at the age of 27 in his famous Wolfe Tone speech at Bodenstown called for the nationalisation of the banks for the benefit of the people and protection from the ravishes of vicious capitalism that has come to haunt us. But who was listening?

Another phase of our struggle we must address is The Good Friday Agreement, which I’m sure everyone here is an authority on. So I won’t labour on it, just to point out, while we no longer have an orange state we most definitely, have a sectarian, and divided society, as is enshrined, in its composition, which is vigorously, defended by its institutions. To criticise, you are considered anti-peace, and likely, to get the full attention, of the PSNI, or even, the prison regime, which hasn’t changed. Ask any of her majesty’s guests, Marian Price for example.

We also have another glaring example of the Good Friday Agreement, at a practical level, in the Girdwood Plan - the former army barracks site in North Belfast which was highlighted as a major breakthrough to regenerate an area blighted by sectarian division, and social deprivation. Within this development, it has the potential, for 200 homes as suggested last year by Minister Alex Attwood. But when his successor, DUP’s Nelson McCausland took over it was diminished.

There are 2400 people on the social housing list. McCausland’s concern was that, based on need, they would be occupied by nationalists. Current waiting lists show for North Belfast 74% are from Catholic background, while 26% are Protestant. But under the terms of this shared future, these families can only be housed if equal amounts of Protestants need housing.

Little wonder the young revolutionary Costello, in 1966, proclaimed:

That is why we seek the support of the people for the destruction of the present political and economic system, we do not believe, that reform is the answer, we therefore seek, support for our revolutionary solution.
Together in tribute

The sometimes lonely road of a visionary

An address by regular contributor Sean Doyle at the graveside of Seamus Costello. Sean, a former comrade and confidant of Seamus Costello, was invited to speak by the IRSP at a commemoration for the party’s late leader on Sunday, 7 October 2012. Photos are from the commemoration. This completes the trilogy of tributes to a great visionary and republican socialist in the mould of the Connolly, Mellows, Tone and Lalor.

Comrades pay tribute
Comrades it is always a great honour and privilege to speak about Seamus Costello; however I must concede to my inadequacy to encapsulate his life, and his comprehensive vision of a 32 county socialist republic.

His intellect, many talents and above all courage knew no boundary. His knowledge of our history and the wisdom of our past liberators; Tone, Lalor, Connolly, Mellows was consumed for breakfast, dinner and tea.

But Connolly had a profound influence and guidance on the young Costello. He joined Official Sinn Fein and the IRA at 16 years of age and commanded a unit in the occupied six counties in Operation Harvest in 1956 aged 17 years.

Within about a decade he held the positions of Adjacent General, Chief Of Staff and Director Of Operations and the position of Vice President of Official Sinn Fein until it proved impossible to dissuade the party from the reformist and one sided concentration that had frustrated him, robbed his youth and sapped his energy for over 18 years.

Memorial Plaque

The sometimes lonely and dangerous road of a young revolutionary visionary, both from external, and from internal forces - on the path he must travel, to realise his vision of a 32 county socialist republic in his lifetime, - presents enormous challenges. And it demands great courage, to confront the old guard, set in their ways, of a mindset, that has been corrupted by delusion, that the party is more important, and the self liberation of the Irish people secondary.

Let’s evaluate the task, mindful of the constraints imposed by the leadership. After Operation Harvest in 1962 as Seamus and comrades, had spent time in the Curragh concentration camp, as guests of the collaborators of British rule the 26 county government. They had wasted no time and organised educational lectures and debates while interned, and reviewed the stagnation of the party, and likely ways to break the cycle, and convince the leadership of the way forward.

Conscious of many attempts, by a minority, to advocate, the absolute, importance of the twin approach, the national question, and the class struggle, as one struggle, rather than two competing strands, which has been the position and divided loyalty, and opinions since the ‘ 40’s.

For example in 1945 when the internment camps and prison gates opened, in England, the north, and south thousands of men and women came home to a smashed movement both north and south and driven underground.

Colour party
They regrouped and concentrated on the military wing completely divorced of the people. They carried out raids on British camps and acquired substantial amounts of arms and ammunition, recruited and trained volunteers poised for the opportunity. They did not have to wait long, Operation Harvest was that opportunity.

They enjoyed popularity during those years. For their military endeavours two were elected to Westminster in 1955. And in 1957 four TDs were elected in the 26 county general elections but lost all 4 in 1961.

When Seamus coined the phrase “I owe my allegiance to the working class” little did I know, or realise, the background, to this declaration. It encompasses his lifetime of struggle, to convince the party - as all parties are secondary to the people’s revolution - parties are but a means to an end, and any party, or members, who willingly frustrate, or delay, this right of the people, must be exposed, as counter revolutionaries.

Seamus believed in people empowerment, and he was the most charismatic, skilful orator, inspirational, and practical communicator, on every aspect, of the struggle, from ideological theory, to unemployment, housing, and class discrimination, none too big, or none too small. Seamus gave generously of his time, to organise people collectively, to fight for their rights, and find their confidence, and voice, and restore their dignity, denied to them by the parasitic political system, who will be aware a risen people will dispense with them at the opportune moment.

Sean Doyle speaks at the commemoration
His vision was enacted every day by example, as he worked with people, motivating them, to take back control of their lives, from the political system, that insist, on servitude, and adoration, as the price for a meagre existence, and denied rights.

If he taught us anything, it was to have courage, to confront the twin evils, that is why Seamus and comrades formed the IRSP in December 1974, national oppression, and class oppression, must be confronted, and eradicated. Only then will we have peace, and a healthy society in Ireland.

New phases, of our struggle, unfold on a daily basis, and we must have the courage to expose, challenge, and inform opinion, building resistance, and ultimately win that phase, increase awareness, and consolidate, our resistance, for example, governmental decisions, who showed, who they really represent: shock horror, not the people who elected them.

But as Connolly predicted, “if we fight for national freedom, without social freedom, any government we elect, will only be a committee, to manage the affairs, of the capitalist ruling class”. That is why ordinary working class people, are being crucified, and being impoverished, with austerity measures, to pay the gambling debts, of the banks, bondholders, and speculators. Private debts, by decree, of the government, are sovereign debts. Everyone must repudiate these debts. Their explanation, for their losses, was deregulation, and casino capitalism, that has been stopped. Not so, in early May of this year, J.P. Morgan the biggest U.S. bank, in terms of assets, admitted, a loss of over 2 billion, gambling on credit worthiness, of major corporations, but data released showed a weakening economy, and the market moved downwards.

Barclays bank was found to have lied, in order to manipulate the bank lending rate and many other banks were involved in the conspiracy. Yet years in to the crisis, J.P. Morgan, and Barclays, are still using the same processes, that led to the financial crash. But why not, when ordinary workers are forced to bail them out?

Seamus the young revolutionary at the age of 27 in his famous Wolfe Tone speech at Bodenstown called for the nationalisation of the banks for the benefit of the people and protection from the ravishes of vicious capitalism that has come to haunt us. But who was listening?

Another phase of our struggle we must address is The Good Friday Agreement, which I’m sure everyone here is an authority on. So I won’t labour on it, just to point out, while we no longer have an orange state we most definitely, have a sectarian, and divided society, as is enshrined, in its composition, which is vigorously, defended by its institutions. To criticise, you are considered anti-peace, and likely, to get the full attention, of the PSNI, or even, the prison regime, which hasn’t changed. Ask any of her majesty’s guests, Marian Price for example.

We also have another glaring example of the Good Friday Agreement, at a practical level, in the Girdwood Plan - the former army barracks site in North Belfast which was highlighted as a major breakthrough to regenerate an area blighted by sectarian division, and social deprivation. Within this development, it has the potential, for 200 homes as suggested last year by Minister Alex Attwood. But when his successor, DUP’s Nelson McCausland took over it was diminished.

There are 2400 people on the social housing list. McCausland’s concern was that, based on need, they would be occupied by nationalists. Current waiting lists show for North Belfast 74% are from Catholic background, while 26% are Protestant. But under the terms of this shared future, these families can only be housed if equal amounts of Protestants need housing.

Little wonder the young revolutionary Costello, in 1966, proclaimed:

That is why we seek the support of the people for the destruction of the present political and economic system, we do not believe, that reform is the answer, we therefore seek, support for our revolutionary solution.
Together in tribute

34 comments:

  1. Sean Doyle-

    " He joined official Sinn Fein and the IRA at 16 years of age and commanded a unit in the occupied six counties in operation Harvest in 1956 aged 17 years "

    Seems that Sean doyle thinks that the officials were about in 1955-whilst i thought that they did not start to about 1970-
    if the wee things catch sean out what else has he forgot or made a tale about-

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  2. Sean.
    that was an excellent and well paid tribute to Seamus (R.I.P.), Those of us who adhere to the old tradition of Republicanism, myself being of the James Connolly tradition, I found something very disturbing this evening on BBC news Northern Ireland.
    The link is, "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20616107" .

    Its about a court case were the PSNI/RUC got permission from a judge that all photgraphs from individual photographers should be handed over to the PSNI, but, The BBC/SKY NEWS, all the major networks do not have to hand over anything they recorded. The photographs and recordings are of "REPUBLICANS in ARDOYNE during riots when a Loyalist parade was passing Ardoyne Shops. This to me proves that its just Republicans the PSNI/RUC want to Arrest, those Loyalist who, From Twaddell Avenue threw Golf balls,Beer cans, Beer Bottles are not required as evidence. I have always stated, Its not our Country which is divided, Its Our People, our people will never be united until those bigots (on both sides) Realise the working class people are being treated as puppets by those who have been voted into a staunch British Stormont by the very people who feed them, only, and, only when the working class people from the whole Island of Ireland, irrespective of colour or creed stand together and unite Shall A true United socialist Ireland be achieved, freedom from greed and persecution.

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  3. Sean once again gives an address which is both moving and probably more importantly informing, from Sean,s address we can clearly see why Seamus had to be eliminated,his fight was for the people not the party and when we see how over the years those republican party,s have morphed and become a part of the people oppressing system that Seamus despised is it any wonder that Seamus and people like him had to be got rid of,today more so than ever the working class need the likes of such great leaders like Costello not just for their wisdom but their willingness to take the proper action required when needed, I,d bet Seamus if alive today would have those bankers worried.. brilliant address once again Sean

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  4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvFC7QNc0Q

    Go to the link. 20 seconds long.

    check this out very funny. Dont publish unless you wish.

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  5. Well what can I say. Thats just about a perfect delivery there. From what I have read, I have liked. One area of concern with this statement.Little wonder the young revolutionary Costello, in 1966, proclaimed: That is why we seek the support of the people for the destruction of the present political and economic system, we do not believe, that reform is the answer, we therefore seek, support for our revolutionary solution. Now I am all for this statement, but how can IRSP smash the system now if they are purely following non military position and look to expand in a political one? Is that not reform to a certain extent in itself? In my opinion smashing this system you need the support of the people, little, by little, town, village- cuba revolution style. If the austerity measures doesnt not galvinise the working class, whats next? I am very much a republician socialist, enjoyed the read and maybe someone can enlighten me on what the next step perhaps would be for IRSP.

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  6. Michael you will find Sean has been a republican socialist before most of us were in nappies he was a comrade of Seamus in the IRSP and he tells the truth full stop.Perhaps you need to research back in time yourself.

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  7. Brendan,

    what has never been reasoned in will never be reasoned out

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  8. Michael you will find Sean tells no tales but the truth perhaps you need to research back yourself.He was a comrade of Seamus Costello and knows the history of his great friend inside out.

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  9. Brendan Doyle-

    Not doubting Sean's commitment as a
    Republican socialist and i am sure that he helped keep the flame burning for them- i just wondered why sean thought the officials were about in 1955 when everything in history says different- notice you never explained away the point that i brought up- hard to explain away hard facts is it-

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  10. Michaelhenry,

    given the number of contradictions you manage to live with I think few will rush to judgement on Sean for an expression, the meaning of which is easily decipherable.

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  11. Michaelhenry

    You could take a leaf out of Roberts book. Even though he knows the vast majority of people on here are opposed to his brand of Unionism as they are to your version, he posts strongly, unapolagetically, but always as far as I am aware in a respectful manner.

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  12. Michael I will speak to Sean over the weekend and clarify your point with him.I wasn't around then so therefore I don't feel qualified to comment.But I can tell you truthfully he speaks no bullshit.Let's hope it isn't my fault as a typo error as I type all his pieces and wasn't at the graveside commemoration he would have corrected it on the spot.Anyway we shall see.I'm away until Sunday evening but certainly will get to the bottom of it.

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  13. Brendan Doyle-

    No problem-and thanks for your honest answer- the likes of david should take a leaf out of your book-

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  14. can I just shed a little light on the formation of oira (stickies).
    Ruairí Ó Brádaigh and Sean MacStiofain opposed the Army councils vote to recognise Northern Ireland and to accept seats in stormont this led to
    a formal split at the 1969 IRA Convention, held in December led to the formation of the Official I.R.A.

    At a second convention, a group consisting of Seán Mac Stiofáin, Dáithí Ó Conaill, Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, Joe Cahill, Paddy Mulcahy, Leo Martin, and Sean Tracey, were elected as the "Provisional" Army Council. which gave birth to the P.I.R.A.

    so there was no official I.R.A. prior to december 1969

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  15. If you ask me it probably was a typo, as this guy knows his stuff. Now, you would be clutching at straws to nail him to the cross for it. Christ we all make typos, most of my comments I write on here, I say as just as I am talking, so if the grammar police are about please forgive me. Now back to the question I posed, how can the IRSP smash the system if they are now looking like they are on a political front foot? Why did they call a halt ot the military campaign? What would be their next step? Also, quoting Costello about smashing the system not through reform sounds bloody lovely to me, but in reality in my opinion it cannot be smashed, even with a dual approach of political/military. Now I maybe be wrong, as I aint no visionary and I am certainly not arrogrant/ignorant enough to consider my only opinion as gospel. In reality everybody reforms as they progress for better or worse, in business terms they call it continious improvement.Which any continuous improvement strategy it certainly wasnt based on improving the quality, workload, stress, conditions of the worker and that was working for charitable non profit organisations in their title. Thats another sham, I will talk about another day. If anyone could broaded my understanding on the questions I ask please engage.

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  16. michaelhenry.

    as you can see I have stated exactly when the stickies and PIRA were formed, I would not hestate to state that it was a typo by Brandan.

    also, Sean is far from being a story teller,nor a tale teller, He speaks nothing but the truth, and speaks his mind, cant see why you are putting the blame on him though because he did not post anything!.

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  17. Sean,

    Good stuff, it struck me the Connolly quote is as relevant today as when he first made it. Whether it be Ireland, Scotland, or South Africa, etc.

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  18. Michael Henry; my understanding is that Sinn Fein was always 'official Sinn Fein' until 1977 or so when, after the split there was just plain old 'Sinn Fein' or 'provisional' Sinn Fein as it was labelled by the media, and 'Sinn Fein, the Workers Party'

    Is it therefore not possible that Sean Doyle d join official Sinn Fein in the '50's?

    I am neither a stick or a Shinner so the intricate details of either party doesn't interest me, but SF is YOUR party and I expect you'll know the ins and outs of everything.

    Can you clarify?



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  19. Apologies. That should've said seamus costello. Typo

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  20. The PUP has put a statement out on their twitter page blaming the IRA for this flag trouble at the momment-but what caught my eye was that there page is called 'Official PUP ' lol-
    The PUP are todays stickys-

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  21. Sean,

    thanks for sharing these reflections with us. This series proved immensely popular on this site. So many people read them.

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  22. Pearse Doherty making Pat Rabbitte look foolish on RTE

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  23. Pearse was brilliant. Adams will hate him

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  24. Anthony a cara ,no matter how good Docherty is or how elequently he puts forward his arguments we shouldnt ever loose sight of the fact that he is a carpetbagger.and not fit to grace the same page as a real revolutionary such as Seamus Costello.

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  25. Michael in response to Sean's article here is Sean's response. It wasn't a typo error on my part."I'd just like to make the following observation.I find it extremely disappointing giving the sacrifices of so many and the suffering communities to eradicate the predatorial system North and South and the scourge of sectarianism created by britain even within the Good Friday Agreement where the Orange state has been replaced by institutional sectarianism.My reference to the term "Official" while not correct to use pre 1969 is born out of discussions with younger people who were of the impression the only IRA were the Provisional IRA and to somewhat lighten proceedings when they would cascade the older generations as "Sticks" I often commented jovially "any republican old enough was a Stickie first.I do think you understood where I was coming from and would welcome your contribution based on substance rather than technicalities".

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  26. AM,
    I would be brilliant to, if I had a team of highly educated, highly paid political researchers to come up with the material to attack a careerist like him. Lets not lose, track, he is a little careerist to is pearse.

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  27. I'd like posters, who think of michaelhenry as a thick but harmless shinner, to know that this person (using his own name Michael McIvor over in the shinner spy site Ir.ie) regularly makes vile comments about Marian Price.

    He is a complete nasty piece of work and I can only compare him to Willie Frazer. I've warned you about this useless so called councillor before.

    The clown spends his days and nights on various websites talking complete and utter shite.

    Nice but dim doesn't apply here.

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  28. James

    the ‘grammar police’

    The texters have broken their hearts.

    Also, quoting Costello about smashing the system not through reform sounds bloody lovely to me, but in reality in my opinion it cannot be smashed, even with a dual approach of political/military.

    Laurent Fabius said the Left needed to be "reformist in action, revolutionary in ambition". Long ago I read Ralph Milliband and he was making the case for revolutionary reforms.

    I think what you suggest is a left reformism. Maybe it is the only strategic space available. I would like to see a wider discussion of it on the Left. It would most certainly rule out what the Labour Party are doing in the South and SF in the North – managing austerity. I think they both would take cover behind the ‘continuous improvement’ discourse.

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  29. Marty,

    no matter how good Docherty is or how eloquently he puts forward his arguments we shouldn’t ever lose sight of the fact that he is a carpetbagger and not fit to grace the same page as a real revolutionary such as Seamus Costello.

    Given my Orwell take on revolutionaries that statements is hardly going to induce me! Pearse Doherty is doing a half decent job in the circumstances of his time. His is one of the more effective voices in the Dail; one of the few Shinners who seem to know what they are talking about. Are there shortcomings? Absolutely. Will his leader screw him? Of course. But alternative political discourse is better for Pearse Doherty’s voice than it would be without it.


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  30. Anthony given the fact that Doherty has hitched his wagon to quisling $inn £ein and a cara that is what they are must say that he has made a bad judgement in choosing the party to promote his ideas from or is it that q$£ on the rise politically was the party to hitch on to like Mary Lou therefore making him nothing but an opportunistic carpetbagger,one thing that I believe Doherty and Mary Lou will do, they will be the Brutus and co and stab the bearded one in the back.but no matter what way it pans out the likes of Doherty is no more republican than Willie Frazer,and because he runs under a banner of a party claiming to be republican does not now or ever equate the likes of him to a true revolutionary like Seamus Costello.he is a member of a party that supports the ruc/psni,internment. and touting, nothing in the slightest revolutionary about him and his cronies,

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  31. James,

    Pearse Doherty may deserve all the criticism you throw at him but his discourse of critique is valuable. Just as the Labour Party’s was prior to them going into government. It helps enlighten and allows others to expand on the critique. That it is retreated from once they get office is another matter. This completely undermines any oppositional ethic, as the forces of opposition become tarred with the brush of ‘that’s what they all say until they get power.’

    Marty,

    I don’t know who you are arguing with as I haven’t seen anyone here claim Pearse is a republican or that SF is revolutionary.

    I would rather see him in the ULA. But he isn’t and the general critique is better for his description of what is wrong than it would be by the absence of that description. If I am to choose between a social climber with a bomb and a social climber without a bomb it is going to be the one without the bomb. Revolutionaries hold no appeal for me. We spend our whole political lives watching them abandon every position they ever held and then censoring and suppressing to hide the gulf between the positions of then and now.

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  32. Anthony a cara not all revolutionaries are social climbers,Seamus Costello and Joe Mc Cann ,Maura Drumm and I,m sure Bobby Sands and those who selfishly laid down their lives for country and comrade could be included here,and I,m sure there is plenty living revolutionaries who fall into this categorie,the fact that he is a spokesman for a party who supports partition ,internment touting and the psni/ruc must say a lot about him as a person and a politician,I for one would find it hard to listen to any words coming from his mouth or his boss they both sing from the one hymn sheet and socialism it aint.

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  33. Anthony:

    "This completely undermines any oppositional ethic, as the forces of opposition become tarred with the brush of ‘that’s what they all say until they get power.’".

    I have also come to the conclusion that no matter which country you are in, Politicians are born liars, they will tell you anything to get your vote, then do the opposite when elected and forget all about those who voted for them, that is now the norm in the world today.

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  34. Marty,

    not all revolutionaries are social climbers

    Or not all live long enough to become such.

    Of course you are right but those that are not I think are the exception to the rule. There are so few who are not that it is too much of a risk to place our faith in revolutionaries.

    Pearse Doherty is in a party that is effectively driven by a leadership that is not in the slightest interested in radical politics but is endlessly in pursuit of power for the clique and will shaft anybody to get it. And when they get a bit of it they do what they do in the North – implement conservative policies. But are we better informed because of what he is saying or not? I think we are aided by his critique.

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