Sinn Fein has left people behind in peace process including Dissidents – Time to talk to them


A piece by Brian Rowan on the Sinn Fein attitude towards republicans at odds with the party's strategy. It initially featured on Eamonn Mallie's blog on 7th October 2012


Just for a moment think, what if?

What if that mortar bomb had not been discovered in north Belfast a few days ago? What if one of the dissident factions had managed to launch the device? What if it had struck a police vehicle, and what if an officer/officers had been killed? What then would we have thought, said and demanded.

I wrote in the Belfast Telegraph recently that the dissident threat while not always seen, is always there. It is not to exaggerate that threat, not to talk it up or down, but to remind people of the danger. The threat is a capacity to kill in sporadic and occasional armed actions, not to sustain or win a war, and, more often than not, the various dissident plots fail.

They are infiltrated and compromised; watched and heard, and have been unable to match the momentum of activity that signalled their emergence in a bitter peace process separation from the IRA in the late 1990s.

The threat was at its most serious in the period of the Good Friday Agreement and has not reached that same level since. Remember the bombs of 1998 in Moira, Portadown, Banbridge and then Omagh. The various wars have stuttered and stalled since then; wars I have described as pointless, pathetic and phoney.

Part of that dissident world is characterised in little power plays and competing egos and personalities.
There is talk of recent tension in Belfast between some of those who are part of the faction Oglaigh na hEireann (ONH) and figures linked with yet another new IRA coalition.

In this you have people who followed the mainstream republican movement right to the point when new policing was endorsed, and others who had no part in the often described ‘long war’ that stretched through those decades of the ‘70s, ‘80s and into the ‘90s.

In that fractured dissident world, there may be new titles but it is an old threat dressed up in a different name. That threat is to on occasions get under the intelligence radar and kill – as at Massereene Barracks, and in the actions that took the lives of police constables Stephen Carroll and Ronan Kerr.

This, however, is only part of the story.

The vast bulk of activity fails; bombs do not explode or only partially detonate, devices, such as last week, are discovered and operations are aborted.

It is this sentence that more accurately describes the dissident organisations and campaign. Their wars will not change the politics of Ireland, but this does not mean they are not entitled to a political opinion and one that differs from that of Sinn Fein.

Within the republican community there should always be room for that different thought, but no room for the war games; and this should be the focus of an urgent dialogue. If this is left to the dissidents and Sinn Fein alone it may never get beyond the arguments of ‘sell out’. So, while Sinn Fein has written on several recent occasions to Republican Network for Unity (RNU) on the issue of dialogue, a different, wider, approach is needed.

The talking needs to involve the nationalist/republican community in the widest possible sense; needs to be agenda focused and independently facilitated. This is the structure that needs to be built and urgently before anyone else is killed or injured in some pointless war action.

Sinn Fein needs to be less arrogant when it comes to the question of talks, needs to understand that it has left people behind in this process; people who have questions that demand answers. The dissidents have the right to talk and to be heard in words and arguments, but they will not be heard if the approach is bombs and bullets.

Talking, dialogue, needs to happen and sooner rather than later.

24 comments:

  1. For a man who I thought had retired Barney does a great Lazarus,He seems to me to have become a bit of a cheer leader for quisling $inn £ein payback for all that coffee and info. no matter how eloquently Barney and others probably qouting from Thiepval barracks script describe the wonders of the so called gfa and gleefully inform us all how militarily inept the fragmented factions of republicanism are,the facts are that the gfa is con job designed solely to kill of the "armed stuggle"and give quisling $inn £ein and the bigots in the dup the illusion that they both have gained some sort of victory,what we witness today in Stormont is a fucking disgraceful waste of money the programme for government proves that,a conservative government in London hell bent on rescuing their mates in the banks and big business at the cost of public sector workers and the unemployed,and all the wasters in Stormont can argue over is an old ship and who should say sorry instead of facing the real issues.the fact that we have dissident republicans today is due solely to the useless leadership of quisling $inn £ein again witnessed by their performance in Stormont,Unionism had those years since its inception to make this a place for all its citizens to live and work together,instead it ruled with the aid of special powers and pograms 20,s,30,s 69, its a failure and the gfa is an attempt to bolster it up using power and privilege to a few quisling castle catholics as a render instead of facing the truth NORN IORN is a non state and never will be anything other ,Dissidents have been with us in one form or another since the plantations and until this failed entity is returned to its rightful owners then I,m afraid we will have resistance in one form or another for a long time to come and thats why quisling $inn £ein dont want any more Vol Joe O Connors. they dont have the capability to sustain a long drawn out feud.Talking to quisling $inn £ein is like pissing into the wind they have nothing constructive to offer,they are puppets whose words and deeds are written and determined by their masters in London

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  2. Talking got SF where they are today. Completely devoid of a consistent strategy or republican ideals. SF should continue in their jobs and 'piss-process' it's all they have left. If they stripped themselves of all pretence and embarrassing re-enactments it would be beneficial. It would certainly remove the 'cringe' factor.

    An ineffective republicanism still insistent on the physical force option will just have to run its own course. The british have learned little in their colonial exploits, but the present oposition here wont cause them too many sleepless nights, for now. There-in lies the danger, complacency. Acouple of good 'ops' could blow SF and stormont out of the water. So, maybe the brits and their SF partners have both learned nothing!

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  3. Brian Rowan, like most of those involved in the so called peace process is trying to keep himself in employment but this does not mean that his opinion is not relevant.

    Armed actions against the occuppiers of the Irish nation has never been fully endorsed by the nation of Irish people nor would it ever be. So does this mean it is wrong?. Well that would depend on your personal opinion.

    There are many men and women who have given up their lives or their freedom in pursuit of one Irish nation,free from the influence of the Brittish crown. These were Irish repubicans.They were not irregulars nor dissidents.They were and are people that are standing up and saying no to the Brits,we dont want you here.

    There is absolutely no reason why armed republicans should talk to their enimies unless they wish to discuss their departure,that common enemy of all republicans is the Brits.

    I have no love for that part of the IRA that were postioned by SF into surrendering the arsenal of the people of Ireland but that is what they done in order to promote gerry and marty to looking and sounding pathetic to many volunteers.

    Maybe the war is not as intense as it was in the 70s or 80s but with better arms and time things will become easier for those who challenge the Brit occuaption of our devided nation.

    In my opinion republicans should just persevere with whatever part of the campaign to get rid of the Brit enemy,that they have taken on.

    I am in total support of republicans in stormont trying to put rite the social injustice and i completely understand armed republicans confronting the brits.
    This double edged sword is proving to be quite evective in many ways and it is my hope that one day it will win the true peace for the Irish people. That would be the departure of the Brits.

    I do wonder why Brian Rowan would try to bait the IRA to put forward a spokesperson to justify their actions.What could they posibbly gain from this.The justification is in the history books.If that is not good enough for Brian,to bad.

    The IRA in my opinion should just get on with their business and politiians theirs.when the brits go there wont be a need for the armed stuggle.

    As for the infiltration of the IRA,i have no doubt that the IRA has more agents within the IRA than the Brits do.Though I doubt they are infiltrated as much as some would imply.

    My final comment is this, the IRA of the 70s,80s,90s,00s are still in excistence,overseeing the business interests of an oraganisation that uses those moneys in the futherance of their own lifestyles.That money was accumalated for prisoners families,arms and to help sustain a war against the brits.

    Those who have profiteered out of this should be ashamed of themselves.

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  4. Interesting few comments provided after this piece. On a personal level I simply do not equate all of Irelands ills to the British. The irish government since partician could be held as equally responsible. I ask the simple question what does being free mean? What style of goverence does that equate to? Is it simply free from the British and a 32 county Ireland based on the goverence of the south, christ they are on their knees, corrupt, rotten politicians to the very core. I always thought, if you put the politicians with their social conscious on minimum wage, how many of them would enter politics in the first place? Not very f..cking many, Great reading material on this would be "Snakes in suits" when psycopaths go to work.Robert Hare. the book really describes the thinking of these power hungry, ego manics, interested in only self interest and predominately careerist.

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  5. Barney may as well talk to the brick wall when it comes to encouraging SF to bring dissidents in out of the cold or listen to the the wider republican people.

    The shinners are very much a 'if yer not on the bus it's leaving without ye' mob and the reality is they don't give two fiddlers about those republicans, and I'm not talking about armed republicans here, who don't toe their party line.

    Arrogant. He called that right.

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  6. I can't for the life of me understand why Republicanism still feels the need to cling to armed struggle, especially at a time when people are calling out for leadership.

    North and South ordinary people are feeling the effects of corrupt governance. They fear what the future holds for them and their families and thoughts of a United Ireland are farthest from their thoughts.

    Like myself they see armed actions in the North as achieving nothing but create a smokescreen behind which Stormont can push through Tory cuts.

    If truth be told I believe that Republicans can't point the finger at Adamism and the failure of the Provos while trying to recreate them in word and deed.

    By going down that road Republicanism will only end up in the same cul-de-sac. More lives will have been wasted and we'll end up in the same place - Nowhere.

    Republicanism needs the support of the people, therefore we need to listen to what they want and that isn't an armed campaign for the sake of saying 'we haven't gone away'.

    Militant Republicanism hasn't gone away but it is going in various directions. It can't unify Republicans therefore how can it ever unify a people, a country?

    Who says hand over the weapons, agree to abide by the rules, become, in the words of Bobby Sands, 'systemised, institutionalised, decent law-abiding robots.'?

    Not I - I say put the weapons away, call a ceasefire and become a thorn in the side of the state, North and South.

    We can only ever do that by unifying, firstly ourselves then the people.

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  7. Its in our blood to take to arms to rid ourselves of the British, am I advocating a return to the bomb and the bullet?, Firstly, I am of the mindset, the foot soldiers never wins, they are cast aside like pawns in a game of chess when the leadership decides to to go into a peace process and dump all weapons, "Ready to be destroyed"!, so I will say this, Yes, but do not destroy any business's anywhere in Ireland,except, Government and financial Buildings = Yes,But not during normal working hours, take the fight to the British mainland, to all financial and government establishments, hit them were it hurts, deep in there pockets, But, at the moment the I.R.A. do not have that capability,They do not have the same capability as did the P.I.R.A. Pipe bombs failing to go off?, If they continue like that then I will say, enough is enough, Time to talk because, They are a no win situation, unless they have an agenda and are keeping it secret as a massive surprise, just to show the British they are capable. I live on my pension plus some pension credit, Im proud to be a pawn in that big game of chess, my conscience is clean, unlike those in SF.

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  8. This is what I've learnt so far blogs like the Quill, Organised Rage, reading reports such as Brian Rowan, David mcKittrick, Leargas (even the Nolan show) ....

    A lot of republicans today see SF as the dissidents. Republicans who belong to RNU, RSF,Eirigi,IRSP etc are anti agreement Republicans. And there are three main armed republican groups the IRA, ONH & CIRA.

    What I don't understand is why did you say this Brian..

    "What if that mortar bomb had not been discovered in north Belfast a few days ago? What if one of the dissident factions had managed to launch the device? What if it had struck a police vehicle, and what if an officer/officers had been killed? What then would we have thought, said and demanded."

    Everyone would have thought the same way as they did when David Black was killed. Only there would probably be a more robust response from the PSNI.

    What I don't understand about PO Blacks killing is this. Why didn't anyone take the threat serious. Last year in the Belfast Telegraph ONH said they would lift the threat to help the talks in Maghaberry Prison here

    . the move coming months after a chilling warning that the faction had the personal details of staff up to and including the rank of governor.

    "In light of recent developments and the fact that the Prison Service are entering into meaningful discussions to resolve the ongoing dispute at Maghaberry, from midnight Tuesday (June 28) ONH lifted the death threat to prison staff."

    And then there was an arrangemnt agreed upon, then renaged by the 'puppet masters'. It seems to me some people are laying the blame soley at armed republicans.

    From what I've read about the troubles, the PIRA issued the same types of threats during the blanket/hunger strikes and carried them through. But once the 1981 hunger strike was called off and the 5 demands were getting put in place. The PIRA by and large stopped killing PO's.

    Why didn't anyone in the NIO or senior prison staff think that once they went back on a handshake made in good faith. That some part of phyiscal force republicanism wouldn't carry out the threat. I'd like to know if it was even considered.

    Within the republican community there should always be room for that different thought, but no room for the war games; and this should be the focus of an urgent dialogue. If this is left to the dissidents and Sinn Fein alone it may never get beyond the arguments of ‘sell out’. So, while Sinn Fein has written on several recent occasions to Republican Network for Unity (RNU) on the issue of dialogue, a different, wider, approach is needed.


    And to an outsider like myself Brian, I'd hazzard a guess and say the big much needed urgent dialogue has been taking place within republican circles for a while. But people like us aren't privy to whats going on behind the green door.

    Brian, Ardoyne Republican posted an excellent piece on Irish Republicanism. here.

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  9. I came across a paper by Dr John Coulter called The moral reason never to tell here
    And one line says this..
    "but the most fundamental demand is the right to keep private the identity of confidential sources."
    After reading the code of ethics journalists agree work under. Danny Morrison lost the arguement concerning the hand over of the tapes in the Belfast Project on professional ethics if nothing else.
    The first book on the troubles I ever read was around 1992. it was The Dirty War by Martin Dillion. That was the first time I ever heard about the secret burials carried out by the PRM. Why didn't the RUC seek all of Martin Dillions notes and open an investigation then? Or at least ask themselves "WTF"..? If they had, maybe they could have found out what happened to all the dissapeared or at least have given themselves a heads up (chances are memories would have been fresher then if nothing else).If the HET/PSNI are as eager as the say and want to give the McConville family justice and closeur. Why don't they apply to a court and ask Martin Dillion for his investigative notes. Maybe they'll find a small piece of the jig saw there or for another family of the dissapeared.
    All Martin Dillion was only looking for was the truth so people like myself could one day understand what it was all about. Danny thats whats the Belfast Project is about. Telling the truth.
    Why is there a witch hunt over the tapes ? For talk sake I'll go along with there wont be any reprisals if the tapes get handed over (that doesn't add up either). The people who the tapes are going to be handed over to, have been shown to delete tapes to cover up murder in the past (Michael Tighe springs to mind). So who's to say the same people aren't capable of doing the same with the BC tapes and instead of the truth we have a revisionist version of the truth. What purpose would that serve to either help understand what happened to the break down in society or advance investigative journalism?
    I think some people are afraid of the truth and thats why people like Danny Morrison argue in favour of the tapes being handed over. If SF were serious about telling the truth. Wouldn't it a good idea for them to explain to Republicans why they were lied to, first? Brendan Hughes died before he got an answer to the question here . Shouldn't they clean up their own back yard first?
    I don't think that both Anthony and Ed. are hyping up the possibility of a reprisal/s (anything from former prisoners going back to jail..to death), why did Willaim 'plum' Smith ask for his copies to be returned? He said this in Jan this yr here
    “How can people speak openly to give future generations the benefit of learning and the chance to analyse events if there’s a constant threat of prosecution hanging over them?”
    Danny, you claim that Ed Moloney 'outted' himself..The only thing Ed and Anthony want 'outted' is the truth. I believe part of the truth is in Boston. And the best place at the moment for the BC tapes is in the vaults of Boston College gathering dust.
    Rant over....

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  10. Why would anyone classed 'Dissident' and a follower of armed struggle want to talk to SF/MI5? What for? What would the purpose of such talks be?
    From a SF/MI5 point of view they would only be offering some form of an internal Northern Ireland Stormont resolution to the Dissidents which runs completely contrary to the view held by them, the Dissidents - hence the violence. So any form of talks is pointless from the very beginning and will prove fruitless for both parties involved.

    What is missing is the understanding that an internal Stormont type settlement is still, irrespective of what Robinson or McGuinness publicly acclaim, regarded as unacceptable to the Dissidents....

    The only plausible possibility of removing armed struggle from Irish politics for good is to think outside the box, , for a resolution to the failed entity that is Northern Ireland....and the only logical solution is through unification...the pressure and call for talks needs to be refocused in the direction of Downing Street and Kildare Street....the Dissidents are not the problem it's those in power who use them to excuse and delay the inevitable that is the problem.

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  11. watched a programe on the history channel today about Goebbels, Hitler's propoganda specialist. The Nazis had the media bowed to the extent there was no need to tell them what to report or not report. Goebells refered to it as 'subservient heralds' it reminded me of the media here post GFA 1998.

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  12. Fuck me Larry is Gorbels Gibney that old! or are we talking about another poison dwarf?..

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  13. Frankie

    'A lot of republicans today see SF as the dissidents. Republicans who belong to RNU, RSF,Eirigi,IRSP etc are anti agreement Republicans. And there are three main armed republican groups the IRA, ONH & CIRA'.

    Big question is WHY so many groupings? Why the fragmentation?

    I've been asked to consider doing a PHD on the 'dissidents' at University. First thing i'd do though is remove the word dissident from the title and re phrase it.

    The fragmentation is a big confusing issue.

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  14. Marty

    Glibney for some reason strikes me as a Denis Donaldson mk2 or is that mk502??

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  15. Larry ,Kitson probably got some of his ideas from the 3rd Reich and tweaked them.

    This is what I believed was going to happen in Maghaberry Prison Scanners to replace searches at Maghaberry Prison here . That was two years ago.

    Then last year ONH lifted it's death threat on prsion staff to help the talks (which I thought had been agreed the year before!!). Still the scanner/BOSS chair wasn't put in place.

    Then about two weeks ago people were shocked, surprised etc when the IRA killed a 'screw'.

    The only thing inevitable about Maghaberry Prison dispute was someone was going to be killed. It could as easy have been a republican prisoner through brutality.

    Surely if the'arragement' was put into place as everyone agreed, Daivd Black would probably be alive today. But some sections of the media are blaming it all on the IRA.

    A few days ago I read it has cost almost half a million pounds to clean Maghaberry Prison because of the dirty protest.

    A BOSS chair type scanner costs 100k according to the Belfast Telegraph.

    If the agreement was put in place Sammy Wilson would have to budget for it same as the cleaning bill for Roe Hse. My understanding what a finance minister is paid to do rubber stamp cheques and look for ways to cut cost's. Does Sammy Wilson not see that the cost of a scanner is less that what it cost's to clean the prison? They could have had five by now. Maybe my maths don't add up.

    According to the The New York Department of Correctional Services. They have at least TWO chairs in every high security prison

    Deputy Governor at HMP Woodhill Rob Davis, said
    “The BOSS III detects items which can be used by prisoners to assist in escapes, drug deals, concerted indiscipline and serious assaults on prisoners and staff.”

    “By preventing mobile phones and weapons from entering we hope to create a safer environment for both staff and prisoners.

    The scanner, which has now been extended to the remaining seven high-security prisons, is intended to be used in Reception as prisoners arrive but can also be used around the establishment if required.

    A few days ago a foreign national was found to have a James Bond type watch in Maghaberry during a routine search. That could mean a foreign national maybe planning an escape, setting someone up for injury, blackmailing someone..smuggling in child porn.

    Yet someone somewhere thinks it's a better idea to spend half a million pounds of public money cleaning up someones else's shit. And in the process force prisioners to strip search . If I strip searched anyone, I rightly be on the sex offender register.


    While there is a more proven, cost effective and humane way of searching. that benefits everyone !!!


    Maybe I'm missing something.

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  16. Feel te love,

    I see nothing to suggest Brian Rowan writes what he does just to remain in employment. I find him one of the most interesting and consistent voices on the past.

    Armed actions against the occupiers of the Irish nation has never been fully endorsed by the nation of Irish people nor would it ever be. So does this mean it is wrong?

    It can hardly be done in the name of the Irish people if the Irish people don’t lend their name to it. If it is right then justification for it would have to be found elsewhere.

    Maybe the war is not as intense as it was in the 70s or 80s but with better arms and time things will become easier for those who challenge the Brit occupation of our divided nation.

    This seems a recipe for disaster, lost lives, more imprisoned. There is no war being fought in Ireland. There is a small amount of armed activity which is politically and strategically negligible.

    In my opinion republicans should just persevere with whatever part of the
    campaign to get rid of the Brit enemy,that they have taken on.

    I do wonder why Brian Rowan would try to bait the IRA to put forward a spokesperson to justify their actions.

    Marty,

    I think he is too easy on them. Against that he has asked some serious questions of them and made observations that they were not too happy with.

    I don’t see it as baiting but a simple insistence that people stand over their actions.

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  17. Dixie,

    I can't for the life of me understand why Republicanism still feels the need to cling to armed struggle, especially at a time when people are calling out for leadership.

    It is the physical force tradition that clings to it rather than republicanism per se. It makes no more strategic sense to me than a Catholic physical force tradition or a circumcision physical force tradition. Surely political violence, apart from whatever ethical questions it poses, should be a strategic matter rather than a traditional one.

    By going down that road Republicanism will only end up in the same cul-de-sac. More lives will have been wasted and we'll end up in the same place - Nowhere.

    Evident to all but those who pursue it. Many of them too see it but feel the need to do what they have always done.

    Itsjustmacker,

    What strategic purpose would there be to your notion of a limited campaign? Nothing is likely to be achieved. But you seem to realise that in your conclusion.

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  18. Anthony

    My strategic purpose would be, surmising IRA got there act together and were capable of making positive bombs to hit the British on there own turf, as I stated all financial and government departments on mainland Britain, but, I am very optimistic as to there capability to carry out such op's, as we look at what is going on in relation to the union flag demonstrations, organised road blocks, the so called "Loyalists" attacking there own crown forces "PSNI", this all stinks off UVF, and That is what Nationalists have to watch out for in the coming weeks or months. IRA could not sustain another campaign in the north, spies in abundance.

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  19. Itsjustmacker,

    I take it you mean not optimistic rather than optimistic?

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  20. Anthony.

    "I take it you mean not optimistic rather than optimistic".

    That would be correct.

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  21. Frankie

    Wouldn't it a good idea for them to explain to Republicans why they were lied to, first?

    Those that did the lying think that is the last thing should happen.

    Within the republican community there should always be room for that different thought, but no room for the war games

    Different thought was always considered a contagious disease. It was suppressed at every turn. As Suzanne Breen pointed out this is what makes SF’s comments on Leverson laughable.

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  22. itsjustmacker

    ‘positive bombs’ – what are they?
    surely by now we should value the maxim of Orwell that nine times out of ten revolutionaries are social climbers with bombs.

    IRA could not sustain another campaign in the north, spies in abundance.

    I think that is a more grounded assessment.

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  23. Anthony:

    I thought that was self explanatory.
    A positive bomb is one which detonates and explodes at the exact time which has been set.

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  24. and kills people. So many bombs have done that and it challenges me how they can be described as positive. Governments, which kill more people than anybody else in the world, plant/launch that type of bomb all the time.

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